Re: Click letters in ISO 639-3 and Registry (long)

Mark Davis ☕️ <[email protected]> Mon, 8 Oct 2018 14:29:50 +0200
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Revisiting this because I happened on
=/Kx'au//'ein
which caused a spreadsheet to hiccough (not prepared for initial ASCII =)..
It would be far better to use ≠ rather than =/.

I would really like to see all the ASCII hacks removed, and replaced with
either the correct character or an escaped version thereof. BTW, as for
02BC, in CLDR we ended up mapping that to 2019, because nobody is
consistent about the distinction. (The danger of having two identical
characters, not separated by script.)

Mark


On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:47 PM Arthur Reutenauer <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 06:59:06PM -0700, Doug Ewell wrote:
> > Michael Everson wrote:
> >
> >> Those two are ejectives, so the should use 02BC.
> >
> > and Arthur Reutenauer replied:
> >
> >> Actually, according to Wikipedia, the apostrophe-like character
> > >indicates glottalisation after a click, and ejectiveness (is that a
> > >word?) after other consonants, but I agree, the character definitely
> > >is U+02BC in all cases.
> >
> > Mark and others, do you agree? Can we recommend spellings to 639-3/RA for
> > these two languages using this character? Remember we are NOT trying to
> > solve the apostrophe problem for all language names, let alone for
> running
> > text in these languages and others (such as Polynesian languages).
> >
> > What about the click characters in my original post of February 27? ( ǀ
> ǁ ǂ
> > ǃ ) Can we agree on the names using these characters as I posted?
>
>   I agree to all the names you’ve suggested in that email, and to not
> use ASCII fallbacks in the registry.
>
> > What about ASCII fallbacks? We will need to give the RA something to put
> in
> > their Latin-1–restricted files. They are currently using ( | || ! ) which
> > seem OK, and ( ‡ ) which is awful and not even Latin-1. Can we recommend
> > that they use ( | || |= ! ) plus U+0027 for the glottal-ejective-whatever
> > apostrophe?
>
>   Actually, they’re only using ‡ once in the UTF-8 file, in ASCII it’s =/
> which to be consistent we could recommend replacing by =| instead.  I
> agree with all the rest.
>
>         Best,
>
>                 Arthur
>
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