Re: language identifiers for sign languages (incl. sgn) vs. attribute for indicating the representation of an individual language in "sign language modality"
"Doug Ewell" <[email protected]> Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:04:45 -0700
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--===============7542755152755346711== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" <html><body><span style=3D"font-family:Arial; color:#000000; font-size:10pt= ;"><div>Hi Christian,</div><div> </div><div><span style=3D"font-family= : courier new,courier;" mce_style=3D"font-family: courier new,courier;">>= ; Many true sign languages (se definitions below), such as =E2=80=9Case=E2= =80=9D<br>> (American Sign Language [ASL], which /fictively/ might even = have a<br>> Newfoundland and Labrador variety =E2=80=93 to be coded ase-= CA-NL in line<br>> with BCP47 rules) have already a language identifier.= </span><br></div><div> </div><div>This example is actually not valid B= CP 47 syntax. The use of ISO 3166-1 country codes as region subtags doesn't= extend to appending ISO 3166-2 subdivision codes directly. You would need = to use "ase-u-sd-canl" or "ase-CA-u-sd-canl". See UTS #35, Section 3.6.5.</= div><div> </div><div><span style=3D"font-family: courier new,courier;"= mce_style=3D"font-family: courier new,courier;">> The question to Doug = is, how the BCP and Unicode rules deal with the<br>> above-mentioned dif= ference between (true) =E2=80=9Cindividual sign languages=E2=80=9D<br>> = and the =E2=80=9Csigned language modality=E2=80=9D (as a sort of =E2=80=9Ct= ransform=E2=80=9D of any<br>> individual language)?</span></div><div>&nb= sp;</div><div>I don't believe there are or should be any "Unicode rules" (w= hich I assume refers to CLDR and the 't' or 'u' extension) that deal with t= his.</div><div> </div><div>One approach would be to request a variant = subtag, such as 'signed', to represent the signed modality of a spoken lang= uage, such as (but not limited to) Signing Exact English. See RFC 5646, Sec= tion 2.2.5 for details on variant subtags and Section 3.6 for details on re= questing a registration.</div><div> </div><div>However, some may argue= that modality is beyond the scope of BCP 47 variants and would suggest a C= LDR extension to deal with this within the 't' extension framework. In that= case, your best bet would be to contact <a href=3D"mailto:cldr-contact@uni= code.org">[email protected]</a> .</div><div> </div><div>--<br>D= oug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | <a title=3D"ewellic.org" href=3D"http://ewel= lic.org" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://ewellic.org">ewellic.org</a><= /div><div><br></div><div><br></div>=0A<blockquote id=3D"replyBlockquote" st= yle=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; fo= nt-size:10pt; color:black; font-family:verdana;" webmail=3D"1" mce_style=3D= "border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-siz= e:10pt; color:black; font-family:verdana;">=0A<div id=3D"wmQuoteWrapper">= =0A-------- Original Message --------<br>=0ASubject: language identifiers f= or sign languages (incl. sgn) vs.<br>=0Aattribute for indicating the repres= entation of an individual language in<br>=0A"sign language modality"<br>=0A= From: "Christian Galinski" <<a href=3D"mailto:christian.galinski@chello.= at">[email protected]</a>><br>=0ADate: Fri, November 22, 2019= 11:48 am<br>=0ATo: "'Fourney, David'" <<a href=3D"mailto:david.fourney@= usask.ca">[email protected]</a>><br>=0ACc: <<a href=3D"mailto:Me= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>>, "'Sebastian Drude'"<br>= =0A<<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Sebastian.Drude@outlo= ok.com</a>>, <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a= >><br>=0A<br>=0A<mce:style><!--=0A #wmQuoteWrapper /* Font Definitions *= / @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; 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text-indent:-18.0pt;}=0A #wmQuoteWrapper @list l2:level8 {mso-level-num= ber-format:alpha-lower; mso-level-tab-stop:288.0pt; mso-level-number-positi= on:left; text-indent:-18.0pt;}=0A #wmQuoteWrapper @list l2:level9 {mso-lev= el-number-format:alpha-lower; mso-level-tab-stop:324.0pt; mso-level-number-= position:left; text-indent:-18.0pt;}=0A #wmQuoteWrapper @list l3 {mso-list= -id:1874028810; mso-list-template-ids:-1004502240;}=0A #wmQuoteWrapper @lis= t l3:level1 {mso-level-start-at:3; mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; mso-level-nu= mber-position:left; text-indent:-18.0pt;}=0A #wmQuoteWrapper @list l4 {mso= -list-id:1940407658; mso-list-template-ids:1928616950;}=0A #wmQuoteWrapper = ol {margin-bottom:0cm;}=0A #wmQuoteWrapper ul {margin-bottom:0cm;}</style= ><div class=3D"WordSection1"><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12= pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:"= arial",sans-serif"=3D"">Dear David,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"M= soNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-fami= ly:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></= span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D= "EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif= "=3D"">First I have to apologize for my long silence =E2=80=93 I was absorb= ed with work on several standards. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"Ms= oNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-famil= y:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"= EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"= =3D"">We are now at a crucial moment where things need to be clarified in I= SO 639-4 =E2=80=9Clanguage coding=E2=80=9D (and ISO/TR 21636 =E2=80=9CLangu= age varieties=E2=80=9D) =E2=80=93 including your issue of how to identify = =E2=80=9Cindividual sign languages=E2=80=9D (i.e. true individual sign lang= uages, which are not just a modality of spoken language) and the =E2=80=9Cs= igned language modality=E2=80=9D which is a signed representation of a spok= en language).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font= -size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-= family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></span></div><ol type=3D"= 1" style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" mce_style=3D"margin-top:0cm"><li cl= ass=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3" = mce_style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" = style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">c= oncerning the difference between =E2=80=9Cindividual sign languages=E2=80= =9D and =E2=80=9Csigned language modality=E2=80=9D, the use of the language= identifier =E2=80=9Csgn=E2=80=9D (in library use) is confined to an uniden= tifiable <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_= style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_name=3D"strong" mce_fixed=3D"1">individual= sign language</span> =E2=80=93 it is NOT referring to a =E2=80=9Csigned la= nguage modality=E2=80=9D. According to the fundamental rules of language co= ding, we cannot change the scope of =E2=80=9Csgn=E2=80=9D, nor ignore the d= ifference between sign language and the signed language modality. <br>There= fore, for the <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-weight: bold;"= mce_style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_name=3D"strong" mce_fixed=3D"1">sign = language modality</span> we need an =E2=80=9Cattribute=E2=80=9D to be added= to the language identifier of an individual language, e.g. if the sign lan= guage modality of the type of =E2=80=9CSigning Exact English=E2=80=9D is us= ed.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-le= ft:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3" mce_style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 le= vel1 lfo3"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-fa= mily:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">However, I could not find an identifier for = <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_style=3D"= font-weight: bold;" mce_name=3D"strong" mce_fixed=3D"1">signed language mod= ality</span>, nor a mechanism for inserting an identifier for this in:<o:p>= </o:p></span></li></ol><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><= span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial= ",sans-serif"=3D""><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47" target=3D"= _blank" mce_href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47">https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/bcp47</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"= font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"f= ont-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D""><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html= /rfc6497#ref-UTS35" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/rfc6497#ref-UTS35">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6497#ref-UTS35</a> <o:= p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><sp= an lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",= sans-serif"=3D""><a href=3D"http://unicode.org/reports/tr35/" target=3D"_bl= ank" mce_href=3D"http://unicode.org/reports/tr35/">http://unicode.org/repor= ts/tr35/</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-= size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-f= amily:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">The regular order of attributes to a langua= ge tag (language identifier) is =E2=80=9Clang-geogr=E2=80=9D (dialect), or = =E2=80=9Clang-script=E2=80=9D (language written in a certain script) or =E2= =80=9Clang-script-geogr=E2=80=9D (language in a script in a certain region)= .. In between, a =E2=80=9Ct=E2=80=9D (for =E2=80=9Ctransform=E2=80=9D in the= meaning of transcription, transliteration, translation or other) may be in= serted.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:= 12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family= :" arial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoN= ormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:= " mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">From your experience/p= roblems with video technology (and HTML), the questions to you would be:<o:= p></o:p></span></div><ol type=3D"a" style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" mc= e_style=3D"margin-top:0cm"><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-l= eft:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6" mce_style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 l= evel1 lfo6"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-f= amily:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">Many true sign languages (se definitions be= low), such as =E2=80=9Case=E2=80=9D (American Sign Language [ASL], </span><= span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial= ",sans-serif"=3D"">which <span style=3D"color:red" mce_style=3D"color:red">= /fictively/ </span>might even</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-fami= ly:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D""> have a Newfoundlan= d and Labrador variety =E2=80=93 to be coded ase-CA-NL in line with BCP47 r= ules) have already a language identifier. <br><span class=3D"Apple-style-sp= an" style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_name= =3D"strong" mce_fixed=3D"1">Does it need another attribute to further speci= fy them as a sign language? </span>In that case, an attribute must be found= which is different from =E2=80=9Csgn=E2=80=9D. How could it look like?<o:p= ></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;= mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6" mce_style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lf= o6"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" = arial",sans-serif"=3D"">In the case of a <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" s= tyle=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_name=3D"st= rong" mce_fixed=3D"1">signed language modality</span>, such as =E2=80=9CSig= ning Exact English=E2=80=9D the core language identifier for English would = be =E2=80=9Ceng=E2=80=9D. It would need an attribute to identify it as the = signed language modality (which could be followed by a country code, if the= re are =E2=80=9Cdialects=E2=80=9D of <span style=3D"color:red" mce_style=3D= "color:red">/fictive/ </span>eng-xxx-AUS meaning =E2=80=9CSigning Exact Eng= lish as used in Australia=E2=80=9D. What could =E2=80=9Cxxx=E2=80=9D indica= ting =E2=80=9Csigned language modality look like?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li= class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo= 6" mce_style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><span lang=3D"EN-G= B" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"= ">It probably would not help to use an attribute identifier =E2=80=9CXxxx= =E2=80=9D in the slot of =E2=80=9Cscript code=E2=80=9D, as a signed languag= e modality might slightly differ depending on the script used, even if it i= s the same spoken language (represented in different scripts in different a= reas/communities).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" sty= le=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6" mce_style=3D"margin-left:0cm= ;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_s= tyle=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">Could the =E2=80=9Ct=E2=80=9D= (transform) symbol be of help =E2=80=93 as a given signed language modalit= y somehow is a =E2=80=9Ctransformation=E2=80=9D of a spoken language?<o:p><= /o:p></span></li></ol><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><s= pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial"= ,sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></span></div><ol type=3D"1" style=3D"mar= gin-top:0cm" start=3D"3" mce_style=3D"margin-top:0cm"><li class=3D"MsoListP= aragraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3" mce_style=3D"ma= rgin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-f= amily:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">The above questi= ons (resp. the answer to them) could have an impact on ISO 639 and ISO/TR 2= 1636 insofar as we should not formulate provisions in these documents which= conflict with other standards. We should rather try to find generic soluti= ons.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size= :12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-famil= y:" arial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class=3D"Mso= Normal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family= :" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">The question to Doug = is, how the BCP and Unicode rules deal with the above-mentioned difference = between (true) =E2=80=9Cindividual sign languages=E2=80=9D and the =E2=80= =9Csigned language modality=E2=80=9D (as a sort of =E2=80=9Ctransform=E2=80= =9D of any individual language)? see the respective terminology entries bel= ow<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;= "><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" ar= ial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal= " style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce= _style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">Best regards<o:p></o:p></sp= an></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"E= N-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"= =3D"">Christian<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"fo= nt-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"fon= t-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class= =3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font= -family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o= :p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span la= ng=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",sans-= serif"=3D"">p.s.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"f= ont-size:12pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"fo= nt-family:" arial",sans-serif"=3D"">In the most recent revised version of I= SO 639-4 we came up with the following terminology entries:<o:p></o:p></spa= n></div><div class=3D"Terms"><img name=3D"_Hlk15067083" class=3D"mceItemAnc= hor" mce_name=3D"a"></div><div class=3D"Terms"><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:= _Hlk15067083" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">= individual sign language<o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNor= mal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083" mc= e_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:b= lack" mce_style=3D"color:black">NOT: signed language<o:p></o:p></span></spa= n></div><div class=3D"Definition"><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083"= mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" s= tyle=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_name=3D"st= rong" mce_fixed=3D"1"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">individual language</span></span= ><span lang=3D"EN-GB"> (3.1.3) having the visual-spatial <span class=3D"App= le-style-span" style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_style=3D"font-weight: bold;= " mce_name=3D"strong" mce_fixed=3D"1">language modality</span> (3.5.1) as b= asic modality<o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style= =3D"font-size:12pt;"><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083" mce_style=3D= "mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"= mce_style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Note 1 to entry: Usually =E2=80=9Csign= language=E2=80=9D appears as part of the name of the respective individual= language.<o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div class=3D"Definition"><span st= yle=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083"><= span lang=3D"EN-GB">EXAMPLE: ASL (American Sign Language); <img name=3D"_Hl= k15066678" class=3D"mceItemAnchor" mce_name=3D"a">)<o:p></o:p></span></span= ></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span style=3D"ms= o-bookmark:_Hlk15067083" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk15067083"><img name= =3D"_Hlk25264277" class=3D"mceItemAnchor" mce_name=3D"a"></span><span lang= =3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt" mce_style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"><o:p><= /o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span = lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:" arial",san= s-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class=3D"Terms"><img name= =3D"_Hlk525307137" class=3D"mceItemAnchor" mce_name=3D"a"></div><div class= =3D"Terms"><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk525307137" mce_style=3D"mso-book= mark:_Hlk525307137"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">signed language modality<o:p></o:p= ></span></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><sp= an style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk525307137" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk52530= 7137"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">NOT: sign language<o:p></o:p></span></span></div= ><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span style=3D"mso-book= mark:_Hlk525307137" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk525307137"><span lang=3D"= EN-GB">visual-spatial</span></span><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk52530713= 7" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk525307137"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span></= span><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk525307137" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_= Hlk525307137"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-weight: bold;"= mce_style=3D"font-weight: bold;" mce_name=3D"strong" mce_fixed=3D"1"><span= lang=3D"EN-GB">language modality</span></span></span><span style=3D"mso-bo= okmark:_Hlk525307137" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk525307137"><span lang= =3D"EN-GB"> (3.5.1) that uses a combination of hand shapes, palm orientatio= n and movement of the hand, arm or body, and facial expression<o:p></o:p></= span></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><span = style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk525307137" mce_style=3D"mso-bookmark:_Hlk52530713= 7"><img name=3D"_Hlk25264226" class=3D"mceItemAnchor" mce_name=3D"a"></span= ><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt" mce_style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-size:12= pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:" mce_style=3D"font-family:"= arial",sans-serif"=3D""><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div>=0A</div>=0A</= blockquote></span></body></html> --===============7542755152755346711== Content-Type: text/plain; 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