[manet] Re: manet autoconf (was Re: Re: Call for Prese ntations)

Also, IMHO we should not ignore the work done before or why was not success
in all_milestones, so we need to comment_on/check/review the WG [1] created
by manet-wg, and last draft [2] in this topic,

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/autoconf/about/
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-perkins-manet-autoconf-01

best regards,

AB


On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 3:46 PM Templin (US), Fred L <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Thank you for your support – this is an important topic.
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> *From:* Abdussalam Baryun <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2024 12:35 AM
> *To:* Templin (US), Fred L <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Don Fedyk <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Subject:* manet autoconf (was Re: [manet] Re: Call for Presentations)
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> Hi Fred,
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>
>
> I agree, I was not involved because it was before I joined and when I
> joined there was no interest to continue.
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>
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> I support that we need this topic to be discussed as well,
>
>
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> thanks,
>
> AB
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>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 11:47 PM Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for this guidance and perspective, Don. To start the discussion,
> who here remembers
>
> about the IETF autoconf working group and what they were trying to
> accomplish? That group
>
> had high aspirations about Internetworking for MANETs, but following the
> publication of
>
> RFC5889 the group decided to shut down and declare success. But, RFC5889
> was far from
>
> a definitive spec on MANET Internetworking and at best provides only a
> framework sketch.
>
>
>
> Some of us who were involved in the autoconf studies kept moving the work
> forward even
>
> though the community itself had dried up. It took many years of work to
> bring these specs
>
> to a suitable level of maturity, but I can now offer the AERO/OMNI
> solution for MANET
>
> Internetworking:
>
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-aero3/
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-omni3/
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>
>
> We are specifically looking at applying AERO/OMNI to 5G MANET
> Internetworking for
>
> nodes that occasionally or even frequently operate outside the context of
> operator
>
> network infrastructure. We are beginning to publish IEEE documents about
> this
>
> through a university research study program we have in place with Virginia
> Tech.
>
>
>
> It is strange to see that there is so little other work going on in this
> area in the
>
> modern era when there was so much in prior years. Either MANET is dead, or
>
> it is in need of a spark to wake it back up again. I hope it is the
> latter, and I hope
>
> this message thread might provide a such a spark.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your thoughts,
>
>
>
> Fred Templin
>
>
>
> *From:* Don Fedyk <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 02, 2024 2:15 PM
> *To:* Templin (US), Fred L <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: Call for Presentations
>
>
>
> EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments.
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>
>
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> We are trying to figure out our charter going forward. There has not been
> much activity at all since the group has slowly recovered from loss of some
> key personal.   Chairs alone do not set the charter -  it is work group
> participants. Since you have drafts already  you are welcome to propose
> that you could talk about the drafts on the MANET list and see what
> interest you get.   It is a small group so any interested is probably a
> good indication.
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>
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
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> *From:* Templin (US), Fred L <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2024 5:09 PM
> *To:* Don Fedyk <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: Call for Presentations
>
>
>
> Thanks Don; I have two very mature drafts that tell unambiguously how to
> operate MANETs that
>
> have intermittent or continuous connectivity to the Internet. Do people in
> this group want to hear
>
> about those, or is there simply no interest in MANET Internetworking?
>
>
>
> Thank you - Fred
>
>
>
> *From:* Don Fedyk <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 02, 2024 2:04 PM
> *To:* Templin (US), Fred L <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: Call for Presentations
>
>
>
> Hi Fred
>
>
>
> This sounds like a topic that would be good to start a discussion on the
> list or write  a draft and follow up presentation to the group.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
>
>
>
> *From:* Templin (US), Fred L <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2024 4:50 PM
> *To:* Don Fedyk <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: Call for Presentations
>
>
>
> Don, I would offer a presentation but this community seems to have somehow
> forgotten about
>
> Internetworking considerations for MANETs. Operation of MANETs in
> isolation is a good study
>
> and has requirements on the routing protocols and an obvious interaction
> with DLEP; but the
>
> means for connecting MANETs up to the global Internet and/or private
> Internetworks somehow
>
> does not seem to be capturing anyone’s interest. This seems strange to me
> because this is an
>
> **Internet** Engineering Task Force (IETF) group – not an isolated
> network group. Have we
>
> collectively somehow forgotten that?
>
>
>
> Thank you - Fred
>
>
>
> *From:* Don Fedyk <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 02, 2024 1:39 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [manet] Call for Presentations
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> We have requested a 1-hour MANET slot in Dublin . If you would like to
> present, please send mail to the [email protected] list or to
> [email protected].
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Don, Ronald, Donald
>
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