[manet] Re: A partial response to <Re: Review draft-perk ins-manet-aodvv2-05>

Hello Chris,

O.K. I will give it a try.  No harm in asking!

Naturally Yours,
Charlie P.

On 7/16/2025 3:49 PM, Christopher Dearlove wrote:
> Charlie
>
> It would be useful if you could persuade the authors to make the paper 
> - or the draft they submitted to the IEEE, which is usually where 
> rights transfer - available other than behind a paywall.
>
> (Maybe most people here have institutional access, so not critical, 
> but I for one don’t. Of course that’s not critical was I won’t be 
> implementing it, but maybe others would find it useful.)
>
>> On 16 Jul 2025, at 23:39, Charlie Perkins 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Juliusz,
>>
>> My days as a Unix systems programmer are distant and pleasant 
>> memories.  I was, however, quite involved with implementations of 
>> AODV 20 years ago.  AODV and AODVv2 place similar demands on the 
>> operating system. I reckon that AODVv2 will be equally implementable 
>> as AODV.
>>
>> I recently obtained the following paper which provides a much more 
>> detailed discussion about how to implement AODVv2 in user space.
>>
>>         Sergio Machado, Israel Martín-Escalona, Enrica Zola, and
>>     Francisco Barceló-Arroyo, "A User Space Implementation of the
>>     AODVv2 Routing Protocol", 2021 International Conference on
>>     Software, Telecommunications and Computer Networks (SoftCOM
>>     2021), October 2021, Split, Hvar, Croatia, DOI
>>     10.23919/SoftCOM52868.2021.9559121
>>
>> At first glance, it seems to me that this paper answers your 
>> question.  If desired, and if I have time (not guaranteed) I could 
>> try to present some interesting points about the paper next week.
>>
>> PS. I have a 9-track tape with the New South Wales source code.  I 
>> guess I ought to send it to somebody for safekeeping.  Also, most of 
>> the news articles from Usenet from the days when a person could read 
>> every newsgroup.
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/2025 6:42 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
>>> Hello Charlie,
>>>
>>>> Prior to resubmission last year, I reviewed the comments I was able to
>>>> find about AODVv2, plus some I had received by private email.  All of
>>>> those comments were addressed, except for the observation that AODVv2
>>>> needed to have a publicly available implementation for evaluation.  And,
>>>> now, there is an NS-3 implementation being made ready for general release.
>>> If I'm not mistaken, NS-3 is a discrete event simulator running in
>>> userspace.  It is not clear to me at all how the experience of an
>>> implementation in NS-3 carries over to implementations on real hardware.
>>>
>>> I think that AODV(v2) is a nice protocol, and I have learnt a lot from it
>>> when designing Babel.  However, one important property that I took into
>>> account when designing Babel was implementability.
>>>
>>> Charlie, could you please outline how you would envision an implementation
>>> of AODVv2 running on a general pupose OS such as Linux?  What would need
>>> to run in userspace, what would run in the kernel, and what would the
>>> user/kernel interface look like?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -- Juliusz
>>
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