[manet] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Fwd: New Version No tification for draft-eastlake-manet-babel-wi-fi-00.txt
Christopher Dearlove <[email protected]> Thu, 16 Jul 2026 18:44:19 +0100
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--===============8240798369362613797== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9A9EB893-1941-4D10-8A55-EFDED983FC9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-9A9EB893-1941-4D10-8A55-EFDED983FC9C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html class=3D"apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equi= v=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D= "auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I would say could be used that way. It would be up t= o either a private network to agree that or someone to standardise (in which= I include experimental) that use for reference.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><= /div><div dir=3D"ltr">Are there any such implementations? My implementation (= never made public, owned by my former employer) could have done so just by d= efining a new address class. I have no idea about others.</div><div dir=3D"l= tr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 16 Jul 2026, at 18:09, Templin (US), Fre= d L <[email protected]> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bloc= kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:DontUseAdvancedTypographyReadingMail/> <w:DontUseJustificationAdvancedTypographyReadingMail/> <w:DontUseHyphenationAdvancedTypographyReadingMail/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><style>@font-face { font-family: "Cambria Math"; } @font-face { font-family: Calibri; } @font-face { font-family: Verdana; } @font-face { font-family: Aptos; } @font-face { font-family: Consolas; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; fon= t-family: Aptos, sans-serif; } a:link, span.MsoHyperlink { color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: under= line; } pre { margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";= } span.HTMLPreformattedChar { font-family: Consolas; } span.EmailStyle23 { font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; color: windowtext; } .MsoChpDefault { font-size: 10pt; } @page WordSection1 { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 1in; } div.WordSection1 { page: WordSection1; }</style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">So based on RFC5444,= then an address length of =E2=80=9C5=E2=80=9D would mean EUI-48 and an addr= ess length of =E2=80=9C7=E2=80=9D would mean EUI-64? Or something like that?= <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Are there OLSRv2 imp= lementations that can operate based on MAC addresses?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Thank you - Fred<o:p= ></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0= in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Christopher Dearlove <christop= [email protected]> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 16, 2026 9:49 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Templin (US), Fred L <[email protected]><br> <b>Cc:</b> bebemaster <[email protected]>; Juliusz Chroboczek <j= [email protected]>; Donald Eastlake <[email protected]>; manet <manet@ie= tf.org><br> <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [manet] Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for= draft-eastlake-manet-babel-wi-fi-00.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"3" cellpadding=3D= "0" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"background:white;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"> <table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D= "0" align=3D"left" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%;margin-left:.75pt;ma= rgin-right:.75pt"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"background:#910A19;padding:5.25pt 1.5pt 5.25pt 1.5pt"></td> <td width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%;background:#FDF2F4;padding:5.25pt 3= .75pt 5.25pt 11.25pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al= t:auto;mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:2.25pt;mso-element-wrap:ar= ound;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:col= umn;mso-height-rule:exactly"> <span style=3D"font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#212121">EXT= email: be mindful of links/attachments.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0= pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <pre><span style=3D"color:black"><br> <o:p></o:p></span></pre> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif">Strictly, it doesn=E2=80=99t. For reasons the actual definition of O= LSRv2 and in particular the format in RFC 5444 only specifies IPv4 and IPv6.= But to use MAC addresses all you need to do is just use them. The address length is included and you can just use that.<o:p></o= :p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-fa= mily:"Times New Roman",serif">On 16 Jul 2026, at 16:54, Templin (U= S), Fred L <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= g">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></s= pan></p> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Tahoma",sans-se= rif">=EF=BB=BF</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",= serif"> </span><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></= o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Justin, I am interes= ted in your statement that =E2=80=9CVersion 2 (supports) native mac addressi= ng=E2=80=9D. Is that written down somewhere, and is OLSRv2 already compatibl= e with Wi-Fi mesh?</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></= o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Thank you - Fred</sp= an><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></= o:p></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0= in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> bebemaster <<a href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 14, 2026 11:49 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Juliusz Chroboczek <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]= </a>>; Donald Eastlake <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">d3e3e3@gma= il.com</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> Templin (US), Fred L <<a href=3D"mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.= com">[email protected]</a>>; manet <<a href=3D"mailto:manet@ie= tf.org">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [manet] Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-east= lake-manet-babel-wi-fi-00.txt</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif">I can't speak directly to ra-olsr, but olsrv1 vs v2. Version 2 prov= ides a bunch of more advanced additions: metric routing, multiple interface s= upport, message signatures, ipv6 and native mac addressing, dynamic timing among other things. The biggest difference i= snt just the increased functionality but the design allowing for extensibili= ty natively without breaking the base protocol or backwards compatibility. I= f some vendor wanted to add a new service or dns information into the routing (OLSRv2) or discovery proto= col (NHDP) that can be done while maintaining base interoperability of the b= ase protocol.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif">Justin Dean</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tim= es New Roman",serif;color:black">-------- Original message --------</sp= an><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tim= es New Roman",serif;color:black">From: Juliusz Chroboczek <<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tim= es New Roman",serif;color:black">Date: 7/14/26 12:54 PM (GMT-05:00) </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tim= es New Roman",serif;color:black">To: Donald Eastlake <<a href=3D"mai= lto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tim= es New Roman",serif;color:black">Cc: "Templin (US), Fred L" <<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>>, man= et <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tim= es New Roman",serif;color:black">Subject: [manet] Re: Fwd: New Version N= otification for draft-eastlake-manet-babel-wi-fi-00.txt </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tim= es New Roman",serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif">>> Is a similar profile possible for other MANET routing prot= ocols over<br> >> Wi-Fi mesh =E2=80=93 for example, OLSRv2? Or is there something spe= cial about<br> >> Babel that makes it better suited for Wi-Fi mesh?<br> <br> In the original 802.11s, there were two routing protocols: HWMP, which was<b= r> MTI, and RA-OLSR (a variant of OLSRv1), which was optional. RA-OLSR<br= > failed in the market, I'm not sure if it is still in the spec (I haven't<br>= read the recent revisions of 802.11s).<br> <br> What would an OLSRv2 variant embedded in 802.11s look like: in what way<br> would it be different from RA-OLSR? (Real question, not rethorical,<br= > I genuinely don't know.)<br> <br> -- Juliusz<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> manet mailing list -- <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><b= r> To unsubscribe send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mane= [email protected]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"= ;,serif">_______________________________________________<br> manet mailing list -- <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><b= r> To unsubscribe send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mane= [email protected]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div></blockquote></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-9A9EB893-1941-4D10-8A55-EFDED983FC9C-- --===============8240798369362613797== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbWFuZXQgbWFp bGluZyBsaXN0IC0tIG1hbmV0QGlldGYub3JnClRvIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlIHNlbmQgYW4gZW1haWwg dG8gbWFuZXQtbGVhdmVAaWV0Zi5vcmcK --===============8240798369362613797==--