Re: FW: Terminology, etc.

Aaron Irvine <[email protected]> Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:48:40 +0000
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.medfree
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Hello,

Larry Masinter wrote:

> > Feature tag name
> > ----------------
> > output-character-repertoire
>
> char-repertoire?

We may have input-character-repertoire to describe device input capabilities.

>
>
> > Comment
> > ----------
> > Describes what glyphs are present in a font (for example of mobile phone)
>
> Well, and which other control characters are renderable; for
> example, space & tab, but not other EOL characters.

Okay.

>
>
>
> > Legal values
> > ------------
> > well known values:
> > US-ASCII
>
> It's not clear that there's much value in using something
> that corresponds to "every character in a charset".

Phones will understand UTF-8, but may only have glyphs from Latin-1 (plus euro
say) :-(

>
>
> > GSM
> > ISO-8859-1
> > MES-1
> > MES-2
> > MES-3-fixed
> > WGL4
> > JIS208
>
> Where are these defined such that they are "well known"?

Well, at the standards bodies ETSI, CEN, ISO, etc.  (For MES see www.egt.ie)

WGL4 is well known in the sense that lots of Windows machine have it already.
(For WGL4 see microsoft.com)

I had hoped unicode.org would have a page pointing to all these.  Maybe I just
haven't found it yet  -  anyone here from the Unicode Consortium?

>
>
> > or any URI to a character collection, for example:
> > http://www.wapforum.org/I18N/core-1.charcol
> > http://www.wapforum.org/I18N/jp-jp-1.charcol
>
> The only problem with this is that there is no way to determine
> inclusion. For example, the name of "Latin 1 with Euro symbol"

The higher level (User Agent Profile for WAP phones) can group character
collections.  For example in Japan, typical might be:
jis208 added to mes2.

However, output-character-repertoire would indicate that *at least* these
glyphs are available.

>
> would be different than the name of "Latin 1 without Euro symbol",
> even though someone capable of rendering the former would be able
> to render the latter.
>
> Of course, no one is every going to ever do anything like adding
> a Euro symbol again, so we don't have to worry about problems like
> this, right?

Again, output-character-repertoire would indicate that *at least* these glyphs
are available.

regards,
Aaron.
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