Re: Fwd: Re: [5gangip] To initiate user-plane study work in 3GPP
Behcet Sarikaya <[email protected]> Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:13:05 +0800
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--===============6014070859017336467== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1141e494de38af055dfce187" --001a1141e494de38af055dfce187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sri, As I wrote to Marco Thursday afternoon III clashes with 5G IP meeting. Please do not use that slot :) Regards, Behcet On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) < [email protected]> wrote: > Thats a great idea. Lets find a slot to discuss with Charlie and > understand the comments. > > Any one interested in attending, send me a unicast note. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Marco Liebsch <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Can we quickly set up an ad-hoc site meeting here at IETF100? > > E.g. Thursday Afternoon III or later would be possible for me. > > Would be an opportunity to follow-up f2f and further elaborate on that. > > > > marco > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* dmm [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) > *Sent:* Mittwoch, 15. November 2017 03:42 > *To:* vojislav vucetic > *Cc:* Charlie Perkins; [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [DMM] Fwd: Re: [5gangip] To initiate user-plane study work > in 3GPP > > > > Like I said, concern is valid. The deliverable about that study. If it > turns out there is no significant optimizations that operators can convin= ce > operators, then we will drop the work. > > > > > > Sri > > > > *From: *vojislav vucetic <[email protected]> > *Date: *Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 6:35 PM > *To: *Sri Gundavelli <[email protected]> > *Cc: *Charlie Perkins <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [DMM] Fwd: Re: [5gangip] To initiate user-plane study work > in 3GPP > > > > He put you on the spot=F0=9F=91=B9 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <[email protected]= m> > wrote: > > Hi Charlie, > > > > Fair point! As part of these efforts, we need to understand and quantify > those optimizations. For not all work items, we need blessing from anyone > before we initiate any new work, we do what the community believes is the > right thing here. This work is less about building a solution, and more > about investigation. This is one of those items where can bring possibl= y > great optimizations to the mobile data plane. We lost the signaling war > (after CDMA2000 ended) for various reasons, less technical and more about > legacy and other reasons, but that does not mean we will fail every time. > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > *From: *dmm <[email protected]> on behalf of Charlie Perkins < > [email protected]> > *Date: *Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 4:43 PM > *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Subject: *[DMM] Fwd: Re: [5gangip] To initiate user-plane study work in > 3GPP > > > > Hello folks, > > I stumbled across this terrific diagram from email that was sent by > Satoru-san yesterday. I think it's an indication that current operators > are not really asking for a simplified data plane. Or, at least, that we > really need to understand under what conditions they would accept an > IETF-designed simplified data plane before embarking on a solution for > their needs. > > Regards, > Charlie P. > > PS. I hope it is O.K. to forward this email... > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > Alex, > > > > .... > > Please take a look at the attached picture which one of the realities > happened in some operator. > > > > Cheers, > > --satoru > > <image001.png> > > > > <PastedGraphic-5.png> > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > --001a1141e494de38af055dfce187 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Sri,<br></div>As I wrote to Marco Thursday = afternoon III clashes with 5G IP meeting. Please do not use that slot :)<br= ><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Behcet<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br= ><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sri Gundavell= i (sgundave) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" ta= rget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa= dding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"auto"> <div>Thats a great idea. Lets find a slot to discuss with Charlie and under= stand the comments.</div> <div id=3D"m_-6371453397010912234AppleMailSignature"><br> </div> <div id=3D"m_-6371453397010912234AppleMailSignature">Any one interested in = attending, send me a unicast note.<br> <br> Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class=3D"h5"> <div><br> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Marco Liebsch <<a href=3D"mailto:Marco.Lie= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br= > <br> </div> </div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div> <div class=3D"m_-6371453397010912234WordSection1"><div><div class=3D"h5"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">Can we qui= ckly set up an ad-hoc site meeting here at IETF100? <u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">E.g. Thurs= day Afternoon III or later would be possible for me. <u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">Would be a= n opportunity to follow-up f2f and further elaborate on that.<u></u><u></u>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">marco<u></= u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"= ;Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span = style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&q= uot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">mailto:[email protected]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br> <b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 15. November 2017 03:42<br> <b>To:</b> vojislav vucetic<br> <b>Cc:</b> Charlie Perkins; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blan= k">[email protected]</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] Fwd: Re: [5gangip] To initiate user-plane study w= ork in 3GPP<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">Like I said, concern is val= id. The deliverable about =C2=A0that study. If it turns out there is no sig= nificant optimizations that operators can convince operators, then we will drop the work.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">Sri<u></u><u></u></span></p= > </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= ;Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif";color:black">vojislav vucetic <<a href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 6:35 PM<br> <b>To: </b>Sri Gundavelli <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Cc: </b>Charlie Perkins <<a href=3D"mailto:charles.perkins@earthlink.= net" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><wbr>>, "<a= href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>" <= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [DMM] Fwd: Re: [5gangip] To initiate user-plane study w= ork in 3GPP<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> </div></div><div> <div><div><div class=3D"h5"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:bla= ck">He put you on the spot</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-famil= y:"Segoe UI Symbol","sans-serif";color:black">=F0=9F=91= =B9</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",&= quot;sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p> <div id=3D"m_-6371453397010912234AppleMailSignature"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><= u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:bla= ck"><br> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <<a href=3D"mailt= o:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<u= ></u><u></u></span></p> </div> </div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div><div><div class=3D"h5"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Charlie,<u></u><u></u></= span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">Fair point! As part of thes= e efforts, we need to understand and quantify those optimizations. For not = all work items, we need blessing from anyone before we initiate any new work, we do what the community believes is the right thing here. T= his work is less about building a solution, and more about investigation. = =C2=A0 This is one of those items where can bring possibly great optimizati= ons to the mobile data plane. We lost the signaling war (after CDMA2000 ended) for various reasons, less technic= al and more about legacy and other reasons, but that does not mean we will = fail every time.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">Sri<u></u><u></u></span></p= > </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> </div></div><div> <div><div><div class=3D"h5"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= ;Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif";color:black">dmm <<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@i= etf.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> on behalf of Charli= e Perkins <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b= lank">[email protected]</a><wbr>><br> <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 4:43 PM<br> <b>To: </b>"<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">dmm@ietf= .org</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">dmm@ie= tf.org</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>[DMM] Fwd: Re: [5gangip] To initiate user-plane study work = in 3GPP<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> </div></div><div> <div><div><div class=3D"h5"> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa= ns-serif";color:black">Hello folks,<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa= ns-serif";color:black">I stumbled across this terrific diagram from em= ail that was sent by Satoru-san yesterday.=C2=A0 I think it's an indica= tion that current operators are not really asking for a simplified data plane.=C2=A0 Or, at least, that we really need to understand under wh= at conditions they would accept an IETF-designed simplified data plane befo= re embarking on a solution for their needs.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa= ns-serif";color:black">Regards,<br> Charlie P.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa= ns-serif";color:black">PS. I hope it is O.K. to forward this email...<= u></u><u></u></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa= ns-serif";color:black">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<wbr>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<wbr>=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div></div><div><div><div class=3D"h5"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><br> Alex, <u></u><u></u></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">....<u></u><u></u></span></= p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">Please take a look at the a= ttached picture which one of the realities happened in some operator.<u></u= ><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span= ></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">--satoru<u></u><u></u></spa= n></p> </div> </div></div><div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><image001.png><u></u>= <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:bla= ck"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote><span class=3D""> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black"><PastedGraphic-5.png>= <u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:black">___________________________= ___<wbr>_________________<br> dmm mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm" target=3D"_blank">htt= ps://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/dmm</a><u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> </blockquote> </span></div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> dmm mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/dmm</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div> --001a1141e494de38af055dfce187-- --===============6014070859017336467== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm --===============6014070859017336467==--