Re: white paper for optimized mobile user plane solutions for 5G

"Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" <[email protected]> Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:48:47 +0000
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Hi Kalyani,

Call sounds great.  Wed or later works for me, but you can pick the day/tim=
e based on the feedback from all the interested folks.


Sri


From: "Bogineni, Kalyani" <[email protected]<mailto:Kaly=
[email protected]>>
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 4:46 AM
To: Arashmid Akhavain <[email protected]<mailto:arashmid.akhavai=
[email protected]>>, Sri Gundavelli <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]=
m>>, "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>=
>
Cc: AshwoodsmithPeter <[email protected]<mailto:Peter.AshwoodSm=
[email protected]>>, TongWen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane solutions fo=
r 5G

Sri, Arashmid:

I can host a call to review the requirements documented. It seems like folk=
s would like to understand more before they can
provide feedback and comments.

I can host a call on Monday, January 29th. Can you suggest a time that woul=
d work for most time zones? I am located on US
East Coast.

Kalyani

From: Arashmid Akhavain [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:38 AM
To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]=
>>; Bogineni, Kalyani <[email protected]<mailto:Kalyani.=
[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Cc: AshwoodsmithPeter <[email protected]<mailto:Peter.AshwoodSm=
[email protected]>>; TongWen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [E] RE: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane solution=
s for 5G

Hi Sri,
Thank you for your reply and clarifications.
I think Kalyani=92s work is extremely valuable, but we also need to set an =
strategy for our reply back to 3GPP. Currently most discussions are about i=
ndividual protocols such as SRV6, LISP/ILSP, ILNP, ILA, etc. which are real=
ly in one form or another a type of ID-Location approach.  I believe we fir=
st need to address 3GPP=92s request from the architecture point of view, be=
fore we dive into implementation details. Is there any discussion around di=
fferent competing network architectures?

Not sure if you have seen a white paper titled =93Evolving 5G Routing=94 by=
 Docomo, Huawei and others. We also hosted a live webcast demo that shows t=
wo LTE slices using ID-Location for data path and distribute ID-Location in=
formation to interested eNodeBs via public cloud pub/sub service. The resul=
t is very promising and shows the capability of this architecture.

I believe the combination of the white paper and the demo could perhaps ser=
ve as a good starting point to get the architecture discussion going and th=
at=92s where conference calls can come handy. I agree though let=92s start =
with the mailing list and move to calls next.

Best regards,
Arashmid Akhavain

From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 17 January 2018 17:53
To: Arashmid Akhavain <[email protected]<mailto:arashmid.akhavai=
[email protected]>>; Bogineni, Kalyani <[email protected]<mai=
lto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]=
g>
Subject: Re: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane solutions fo=
r 5G

Arashmid  - We do have regular DMM working group meeting during the IETF we=
ek. I guess, what you are asking for is a WG-chair scheduled conference cal=
ls? DMM List may be very quite, but there have been regular conf calls betw=
een authors of some of the WG documents. Authors of FPC host those calls re=
gularly. For the new work item that Kalyani is proposing, we need to have s=
ome discussions in the mailer and once the document is adopted as a WG docu=
ment, we can certainly host some calls (author/chair scheduled) on a need b=
asis. So, the first step is to post comments on the documents and trigger s=
ome discussions.


Sri



From: dmm <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of =
Arashmid Akhavain <[email protected]<mailto:arashmid.akhavain@hu=
awei.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:16 PM
To: "Bogineni, Kalyani" <[email protected]<mailto:Kalyan=
[email protected]>>, "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <dmm@=
ietf.org<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane solutions fo=
r 5G

Hi everyone,
Online meetings on a regular basis can perhaps help moving things forward.

Arashmid



From: dmm [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bogineni, Kalyani
Sent: 17 January 2018 15:20
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane solutions fo=
r 5G

Folks:

Here is the draft with 3GPP architecture described as much as relevant to N=
9 interface.
I have extracted some diagrams from 3GPP specs and will redo them in ASCII =
after I get
some feedback on whether to include them or not in this document.

Kalyani

From: Bogineni, Kalyani
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:14 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Cc: Bogineni, Kalyani <[email protected]<mailto:Kalyani.=
[email protected]>>
Subject: white paper for optimized mobile user plane solutions for 5G

Folks:

In response to the 3GPP CT4 study item on user plane protocols, we propose =
that a white paper
be developed that can compare the different IETF protocols. Attached is an =
outline. Please let me
know if you would like to contribute.

Kalyani Bogineni
Verizon


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<div>Hi Kalyani,</div>
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<div>Call sounds great. &nbsp;Wed or later works for me, but you can pick t=
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<div>Sri</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>&quot;Bogineni, Kalyani&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Kalyani.Bogine=
[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, January 25, 2018 at=
 4:46 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Arashmid Akhavain &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&g=
t;, Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">sgundave@cisco=
.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>AshwoodsmithPeter &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>=
&gt;, TongWen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]<=
/a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: [DMM] white paper for =
optimized mobile user plane solutions for 5G<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sri, Arashmid:<o:p></o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I can host a call to r=
eview the requirements documented. It seems like folks would like to unders=
tand more before they can<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">provide feedback and c=
omments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I can host a call on M=
onday, January 29<sup>th</sup>. Can you suggest a time that would work for =
most time zones? I am located on US<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">East Coast.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Kalyani<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Arashmid Akhavain [<a href=3D"mailto:ar=
[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
om">[email protected]</a>&gt;; Bogineni, Kalyani &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kal=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>=
&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AshwoodsmithPeter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.AshwoodSmith@huawe=
i.com">[email protected]</a>&gt;; TongWen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E] RE: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane s=
olutions for 5G<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sri,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thank y=
ou for your reply and clarifications.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think=
 Kalyani=92s work is extremely valuable, but we also need to set an strateg=
y for our reply back to 3GPP. Currently most discussions are about individu=
al protocols such as SRV6, LISP/ILSP, ILNP,
 ILA, etc. which are really in one form or another a type of ID-Location ap=
proach.&nbsp; I believe we first need to address 3GPP=92s request from the =
architecture point of view, before we dive into implementation details. Is =
there any discussion around different competing
 network architectures?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Not sur=
e if you have seen a white paper titled =93Evolving 5G Routing=94 by Docomo=
, Huawei and others. We also hosted a live webcast demo that shows two LTE =
slices using ID-Location for data path and
 distribute ID-Location information to interested eNodeBs via public cloud =
pub/sub service. The result is very promising and shows the capability of t=
his architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I belie=
ve the combination of the white paper and the demo could perhaps serve as a=
 good starting point to get the architecture discussion going and that=92s =
where conference calls can come handy. I
 agree though let=92s start with the mailing list and move to calls next.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Best re=
gards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Arashmi=
d Akhavain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2018 17:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Arashmid Akhavain &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arashmid.akhavain@huawei=
.com">[email protected]</a>&gt;; Bogineni, Kalyani &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWi=
reless.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane solut=
ions for 5G<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:black">Arashmid &nbsp;- We do have regular DMM working group meeting durin=
g the IETF week. I guess, what you are asking for is a WG-chair scheduled c=
onference calls? DMM List may be very quite,
 but there have been regular conf calls between authors of some of the WG d=
ocuments. Authors of FPC host those calls regularly. For the new work item =
that Kalyani is proposing, we need to have some discussions in the mailer a=
nd once the document is adopted
 as a WG document, we can certainly host some calls (author/chair scheduled=
) on a need basis. So, the first step is to post comments on the documents =
and trigger some discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:black">Sri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">From: =
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">dmm &lt;</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Arashmid
 Akhavain &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">arashm=
[email protected]</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:16 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;Bogineni, Kalyani&quot; &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:Kalya=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a><s=
pan style=3D"color:black">&gt;, &quot;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
">[email protected]</a><span style=3D"color:black">&quot; &lt;</span><a href=3D"=
mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane solut=
ions for 5G<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi ever=
yone,</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Online =
meetings on a regular basis can perhaps help moving things forward.</span><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Arashmi=
d</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> dmm [</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"mailto:=
[email protected]"><span lang=3D"EN-US">mailto:[email protected]</spa=
n></a></span><span style=3D"color:black">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bogineni, Kalyani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2018 15:20<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">[email protected]</span></a></span><span style=3D"color:black">=
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] white paper for optimized mobile user plane solut=
ions for 5G</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Folks:</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Here is the draft with=
 3GPP architecture described as much as relevant to N9 interface.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have extracted some =
diagrams from 3GPP specs and will redo them in ASCII after I get</span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">some feedback on wheth=
er to include them or not in this document.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Kalyani</span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Bogineni, Kalyani
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">[email protected]</span></a></span><span style=3D"color:black">=
<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bogineni, Kalyani &lt;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email protected]"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Kalyani.Bogi=
[email protected]</span></a></span><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> white paper for optimized mobile user plane solutions for 5=
G</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Folks:</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">In response to the 3GPP =
CT4 study item on user plane protocols, we propose that a white paper</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">be developed that can co=
mpare the different IETF protocols. Attached is an outline. Please let me
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">know if you would like t=
o contribute.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Kalyani Bogineni</span><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Verizon</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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