Re: Existing missmatch between SDP mux and BUNDLE

I am in favor of the changes that Taylor proposes.

-Ekr


On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Flemming Andreasen <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I much prefer use of the term "media description" as well since this is
> well-defined in 4566.
>
> Having said that, I wholeheartedly agree with Christer's point about
> terminology change - we need people to agree to this before entertaining
> yet another update on this front.
>
> So folks, please speak up and let us know if you are for, against, or
> indifferent in terms of said terminology change.
>
> Thanks
>
> -- Flemming
>
> On 9/22/17 4:08 PM, Taylor Brandstetter wrote:
>
> Right. I can only think of one possible interpretation of "add attribute
> to media description". RFC4566 uses the following phrases:
>
>    - "attributes ... may be added"
>    - "attribute ... in the media description"
>    - "attribute is present"
>    - "a media description may have any number of attributes"
>    - "attribute fields can ... be added"
>    - "specifying the attribute"
>    - "session description containing such attributes"
>    - "attribute MUST be included"
>
> So, the following would be consistent with the defined terminology:
>
>    - "The offerer MUST add the foo attribute to the media description."
>    - "The foo attribute MUST be [present|contained|specified|included] in
>    the media description."
>    - "The media description MUST have the foo attribute."
>
> But "foo attribute MUST be associated with the m-line"? Not so much.
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Christer Holmberg <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> >> It depends on how we interpret "associated with"
>> >
>> > That's why I purged "associated with" from the BUNDLE spec:
>> https://github.com/taylor-b/draft-sdp-bundle/pull/1
>> >
>> > It almost always can be interpreted in multiple ways. Unfortunately
>> this never got integrated, I assume because I was too late.
>>
>> No, you were not :) I have been looking at your CR, and have been
>> considering to integrate it, but I lately I have been so busy with
>> draft-dtls-sdp etc.
>>
>> Having said that, we have changed the terminology in bundle a number of
>> times already - we really need to stop at some point.
>>
>> The history of "associated" is when people commented that one cannot add
>> an attribute, address etc to an m- line (because attributes, c- lines and
>> m- lines are separate SDP properties). So, instead of talking about adding
>> those to an m- line talk about associating those with an m- line.
>>
>> Now, if I remember the changes in your PR correctly, you are talking
>> about "media descriptions", which would be an "envelope" containing the m-
>> line, the address and attributes associated with that m- line. Then you
>> could say "add attribute to the media description", etc. Right?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Christer
>>
>
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