Re: Preliminary minutes from the WG last week

OK, Vijay, I get the point. You don't think there is an issue. I do. We 
disagree.

            jak

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vijay Devarapalli" <[email protected]>
To: "James Kempf" <[email protected]>; "gabriel montenegro" 
<[email protected]>; "Yaron Sheffer" 
<[email protected]>; "Paul Hoffman" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Mobike] Preliminary minutes from the WG last week




> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Kempf [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:34 PM
> To: Vijay Devarapalli; gabriel montenegro; Yaron Sheffer; Paul Hoffman
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Mobike] Preliminary minutes from the WG last week
>
> For example, listing cases where MOBIKE works with MIP

Jim, let me know if you have a specific
scenario in mind and if you see an issue.

also please lookup RFC 4093. it is a
problem statement for VPN traversal with
MIPv4.

> and
> where not. And
> what to do with route optimization.

what about route optimization?

Vijay

>
>             jak
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vijay Devarapalli" <[email protected]>
> To: "James Kempf" <[email protected]>; "gabriel montenegro"
> <[email protected]>; "Yaron Sheffer"
> <[email protected]>; "Paul Hoffman" <[email protected]>
> Cc: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [Mobike] Preliminary minutes from the WG last week
>
>
> > I really think this needs further investigation, particularly
> > in light of
> > the MIP6 transition work.
>
> sure. but I don't see an issue. what are we
> going to investigate?
>
> Vijay
>
> >
> >                 jak
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Vijay Devarapalli" <[email protected]>
> > To: "gabriel montenegro" <[email protected]>;
> > "James Kempf"
> > <[email protected]>; "Yaron Sheffer"
> > <[email protected]>; "Paul
> > Hoffman" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Mobike] Preliminary minutes from the WG last week
> >
> >
> >
> > > I'm confused. In the 3GPP2 solution
> > > (draft-ietf-mip4-mobike-connectivity-00)
> > > MOBIKE is not used between MN-HA, right? The separation is:
> > >
> > > between MN-HA: mipv4 tunnel
> > > between MN and VPN gateway: mobike+IPsec
> >
> > right.
> >
> > > Are you folks saying that the above is wrong/discouraged?
> >
> > nope. thats *a* solution for a network where
> > there is a trusted network and an untrusted
> > network with a MIPv4 HA inside the trusted
> > network and a VPN GW in the DMZ.
> >
> > > Or are you saying that it is wrong/discouraged *only* if the
> > > MN-HA is a MIP6/IPsec
> > > tunnel?
> >
> > whats discourage is running MOBIKE and
> > MIP6/IPsec tunnel to the same box. thats my
> > personal opinion anyway.
> >
> > Vijay
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > -gabriel
> > >
> > > --- Vijay Devarapalli <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > hi Jim,
> > > >
> > > > with Mobile IPv6, one can create an IPsec
> > > > protected Mobile IP tunnel between the mobile
> > > > node and the home agent. further, the binding
> > > > update is used as a trigger to update the IKE
> > > > SA too. so Mobile IPv6 provides a solution
> > > > similar to MOBIKE already. so that's why I don't
> > > > expect someone to use the two together between
> > > > the mobile node and the home agent.
> > > >
> > > > Mobile IPv4 does not use IPsec and is a very
> > > > different protocol.
> > > >
> > > > Vijay
> > > >
> > > > ps: FYI, the solution described in
> > > > draft-ietf-mip4-mobike-connectivity-00 has
> > > > been adopted by 3GPP2 for their 3GPP2-WLAN
> > > > interworking solution.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Kempf
> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:41 AM
> > > > > To: Yaron Sheffer; 'Paul Hoffman'; [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Mobike] Preliminary minutes from the WG
> last week
> > > > >
> > > > > Yaron,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx for sending out pointers to these.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the MIP6 group, there was some discussion about this, and
> > > > > the message
> > > > > that came up was, in fact, "don't do it". I'll post
> > > > > references to these
> > > > > drafts to the MIP6 list.
> > > > >
> > > > >             jak
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Yaron Sheffer" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: "'Paul Hoffman'" <[email protected]>;
> > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 3:38 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Mobike] Preliminary minutes from the WG
> last week
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding the combination of MOBIKE and Mobile IP, there
> > > > > are 3 current
> > > > > > drafts in MIP4 that deal with this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - draft-ietf-mip4-vpn-problem-solution-02 (this one is
> > > pre-MOBIKE)
> > > > > > - draft-ietf-mip4-mobike-connectivity-00
> > > > > > - draft-meghana-mip4-mobike-optimizations-00
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So it's a stretch to say "don't do" MOBIKE and Mobile
> > > IP together.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yaron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:49
> > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > Subject: [Mobike] Preliminary minutes from the WG last week
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please let me know if you have any changes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MOBIKE WG minutes
> > > > > > IETF 65
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [deleted]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James Kempf - discussion in Mobile IP group - what happens
> > > > > if you try to
> > > > > > use Mobile IP and MOBIKE together? Some people believe
> > > the answer is
> > > > > > "don't do that". May need an informational draft (as a new
> > > > > work item) to
> > > > > > address that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [deleted]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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