RE: blowback, was A new SMTP "3821" [Re: FTC stuff...........]

Dean Anderson <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.mxcomp
Message-ID <[email protected]>
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 [email protected] wrote:

> 
> > From: Dean Anderson [mailto:[email protected]]
> > On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 [email protected] wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Agreed, but near sighted.  If the sending MTA had done some 
> > sort of validation to ensure the message
> > > was not forged when it accepted it, then we wouldn't have a 
> > blowback problem.  You cannot blame
> > > subsequent MTA's in the path for detecting and rejecting 
> > bad email when its something the first hop
> > > MTA could (and should) have done in the first place!
> > 
> > And just what sort of validation would that be?
> 
> Authentication (SMTP AUTH, POP-before-SMTP, etc.), restriction to
> trusted IP addresses, etc.  Basically the sending server is responsible
> for authorizing its own use, via whatever method is most appropriate.

None of the things you listed indicate prevent forgery.  Server 
authorization is not related to forgery.  As I pointed out, Closed relays 
are "authorized", but one can still forge emails.  SMTP AUTH and 
Pop-before-SMTP don't prevent forgery, either.

As I already pointed you, you keep forgetting that every abuser is 
someone's customer, and so has access to relay facilities. Those 
facilities cannot prevent forgery.


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