Re: Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08 as a WG document

Joel, 
I should let authors clarify further. 
>From what I understood, TN-mobility is non-conflicting to IETF-slice definitions/framework. Because, in TEAS, we create a logical IETF slice by mapping underlying network infrastructure (IP/optical), mobility document does not care about that part. It does the connection of this existing IETF logical slice to RAN-slice with the help of management entity above the network slice controller. This is inline with IETF-NS framework and progressing in parallel.

I 100% agree with the basic sentiment that TEAS should be informed about this work and document should explain alignment with IETF NS framework. 
-Kiran

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel M. Halpern <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 5:46 PM
> To: Kiran Makhijani <[email protected]>; Joel M. Halpern
> <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08 as
> a WG document
> 
> Kiran, the TEAS work is focused on defining the structures and semantics for an
> interface to request services from what 3GPP calls a transport network.  It
> seems really odd for another working group to define how to map to the
> "transport" network differently from the way TEAS is defining
> it.  If the TEAS definitions are wrong, we need to fix them.   If they
> are right, we need to use them.  Having another document that attempts to
> define the mapping separately seems like a recipe for difficulties.
> 
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> On 1/4/2021 8:39 PM, Kiran Makhijani wrote:
> > Hi Joel,
> > The IETF network slices work under teas focuses on control and managing
> slices 'with in' the IP/MPLS networks. Actually, in TEAS 3GPP is just one of the
> use cases not the only use case. Also, TEAS wanted to replace "transport"
> because it could mean different things.
> >
> > But this document only focuses on 3GPP mobility scenarios and heavily relies
> on terms and components used in 5G architecture - here 'transport network' is
> a standard term. The work presented here is new and covers mobility
> procedures and corresponding mappings between AN and UPFs.
> >
> > I have read this document and I agree the relationship between the 2
> activities should be discussed (once TEAS adopts slice terminology/framework),
> maybe in section 2.7. But I feel this is not a major change to the way
> procedures are described in the document.
> >
> > I support this work.
> > FWIW, I think a bit restructuring of the document will improve its readability.
> For example, section 2 should be split into 'xhaul background' and 'TN mobility
> procedure' - things related to mapping and management of TN context and its
> mobility.
> >
> > -Kiran
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dmm <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern
> >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 4:23 PM
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of
> >> draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08 as a WG document
> >>
> >> Hmmm.
> >>
> >> It seems to me that this document ought to align with the ongoing
> >> work in the TEAS working group that is attempting to define
> >> terminology and framework (and then any necessary protocol
> >> mechanisms) for IETF network slices.  That work is explicitly intended to
> support 3GPP end-to-end network slices.
> >>
> >> First, the discussion there exlicitly conluded that the term "Transport"
> >> was confusing and misleading.  Which is why the work is now called
> >> IETF network slicing.
> >>
> >> Second, it seems that we want one IETF framework for this, not two
> >> competing frameworks.  Why is DMM doing this separately.  It seems to
> >> fall squarely into CCAMP and TEAS.  I presume we want a solution that
> >> works for 3GPP and works for other use cases?
> >>
> >> Yours,
> >> Joel M. Halpern
> >>
> >> On 1/4/2021 7:11 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote:
> >>> Support WG adoption.
> >>>
> >>> Linda Dunbar
> >>>
> >>> -------------------
> >>> From: *Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)*
> >>> <[email protected]
> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>> Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:45 AM
> >>> Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of
> >>> draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08
> >>> as a WG document
> >>> To: dmm <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>>
> >>> Folks:
> >>>
> >>> The authors of the document, Transport Network aware Mobility for
> >>> 5G, have presented the proposal and the need for standardization in
> >>> multiple IETF WG meetings. There have been good amount of
> >>> discussions in the mailers and there is some level of interest for
> >>> the work from the community. We are therefore considering the
> >>> adoption of this document as a DMM WG document, to be moved on
> >>> Informational Standards
> >> track.
> >>>
> >>> *Transport Network aware Mobility for 5G*
> >>>
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> >>> With this background, we would like to ask the WG to provide some
> >>> feedback on their interest for this work. Please provide substantial
> >>> comments as why this SHOULD be adopted, or why it SHOULD NOT be
> >> adopted.
> >>> If there is interest, and if there are no other concerns from
> >>> AD/IESG/Others, then we may take up this work.
> >>>
> >>> The adoption call will end on 18th of January, 2021.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> DMM WG Chairs
> >>>
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