Re: Elements of a DMM Solution
Marco Liebsch <[email protected]>
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Hi Pete, please see inline. On 01.08.2013, at 18:02, "Peter McCann" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Marco, > > Marco Liebsch wrote: >> Hi Pete, >> >> I support your proposal. Please see (so far brief) feedback inline. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Peter McCann >>> Sent: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2013 13:09 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [DMM] Elements of a DMM Solution >>> >>> I think that the DMM work can be subdivided into a small number of >>> "modules", each of which can be implemented in a number of different >>> ways. >>> >>> >>> I. Limited-scope (localized) network-based mobility scheme >>> >>> This is probably what most people have in mind when they think of a DMM >>> "protocol". This is the mechanism that gets packets to the current >>> point of attachment. We have seen the following proposed as options >>> for this module: >>> >>> A. Something based on PMIP >>> B. Something based on GTP >>> C. Something based on a routing protocol (e.g., BGP) >>> D. Something based on SDN >>> We should be able to "plug in" any of the above solutions to an overall >>> DMM framework. This module needs to be signaled when an MN attaches or >>> changes its point of attachment. An identifier of the MN and an >>> identifier of the attachment point should be provided in this signal. >>> This module needs to interact with the address allocation/management >>> module to obtain the set of IP prefixes currently in use by the mobile >>> node, so that redirection/tunneling of packets destined to those >>> prefixes can be set up. This may require a network- queryable database >>> of prefixes that can be indexed by mobile node identifier. This >>> database could be stored in something like an HSS or in a DNS >>> server. >> >> Yes, or an IP mobility anchor control plane function, or a registry >> associated with an SDN controller, or.. something that can treat the >> MN's IP address (prefix) as identifier and select an appropriate >> routable locator IP address. I fully support that view that any DMM >> solution should consider hooks to external (non- mobility) protocols to >> optimize (D)MM operation and is well aligned with the methodology in our >> framework draft. > > I don't think the MN's IP address (prefix) will necessarily be the identifier > of choice. Perhaps an NAI or other identifier authenticated at the time of > access is the right one to use. In terms of routing/switching U-plane traffic to the MN's current point of attachment (aka anchor ;-) it is the IP address that is used as key for a locator lookup. These packets do not carry NAIs. In terms of authentication, you are probably right. > > It's good to have this discussion; once we pin down the interface between > Module I and the rest of the system we can work independently on the pieces. Good. > > >>> II. Address allocation/management >>> >>> This module lives in both the MN and the network. The MN maintains a >>> pool of addresses, each one topologically related to the point of >>> attachment at the time it was assigned. The MN should be made aware of >>> which of its addresses are currently on-link at its current attachment >>> point, courtesy of Module I. The MN should maintain information about >>> how it is using each address so that unused addresses can be released >>> and in-use addresses can have their leases renewed at the appropriate >>> times. Address allocation/deallocation should NOT be coupled to node >>> mobility. It should be possible to have a mobility event without >>> allocating a new address (to avoid excessive numbers of addresses being >>> allocated) and even if Module I cannot provide network-based relocation >>> of a prefix, mobility to an attachment point where an address is not >>> on-link SHOULD NOT trigger deallocation of the address, because the MN >>> might have a client- based mobility scheme that enables it to continue >>> using the address (Module III). Some mechanism to renew the lease on >>> the address from a remote location should be provided, such as >>> obtaining a global unicast IP address of a DHCP server. Security >>> considerations for such remote renewal need to be investigated and >>> addressed. >> >> So, on-link addresses are routable addresses associated with the MN's >> current anchor, whereas other addresses (off-link?) are associated >> with the previous anchor (or point of attachment) and considered deprecated. >> Correct? > > I really dislike the term "anchor". It seems to imply there is a fixed > point in the network through which the MN's traffic is flowing and is also > semantically linked to tunnel-based solutions. > Yes,I understood your comment during today's session. > When I say "on-link" I mean the prefix is currently advertised in an RA > on the current link (in IPv6 terms). The degree to which it is topologically > aggregateable may vary depending on how far the MN has moved. It may or > may not be marked as "deprecated" by the advertising AR; in any case, it > is available for use by ongoing sessions or possibly new sessions according > to logic inside the MN. > > Addresses that are not advertised on-link, if they are still needed, should > be supported with a client-based tunnel. > >> Dependent on the solution for DMM, this IP address is not >> routable anymore if imported to the current anchor to enable IP >> address continuity or remains routable through the MN's previous >> anchor. In the latter case the MN may have multiple anchors which may >> have to be added to the address management module, at least in case of >> client-based mobility. > > Again, don't like "anchor". Hopefully the above explanation tells you how > I am defining my terms. Yes. > >>> Module I must be provided with a list of prefixes currently allocated >>> to the MN. The database storing this information could be updated by >>> the network element that allocates the address (e.g., DHCP server) or >>> could be updated by the MN. A network element initiated update may be >>> more appropriate for an HSS-stored database, whereas an MN-initiated >>> update may be more appropriate for a DNS- based database. >> >> Well, in general this is about a dynamic binding in a database between >> one or more IP addresses of the MN and associated locator(s). >> Important is that this can be something else than what is provided by >> Mobile IP protocols. And this makes sense, as it applies to the >> routing space above mobility anchor level (southbound to MM U-Plane >> function, or attachment point according to your terminology). >> Who updates the database is up to a particular solution. > > Again, I think the binding is from some other identifier (like NAI) to > a set of currently allocated/assigned IP addresses. While there are > mechanisms to allocate IP addresses using Mobile IP, I don't think they > necessarily will be used by DMM because most addresses should be > topologically correct a the time they are assigned instead of being > routed through a home agent. > Sure the NAI can be associated with the binding. I was referring to a binding between a continued address after relocation of a Point of attachment and a locator or other routing info to deliver a downlink packet to the MN's current point of attachment. Example BGP resolves the MN's address into a per-host route and associated next hop. > Agree that database update details are a property of individual Ok. Marco > >>> III. An optional global, client-based mobility scheme >>> >>> Any network-based mobility scheme will necessarily have a limited >>> scope. This is especially true in the DMM case because the Internet >>> attachment points are by definition close to the MN in the access >>> (visited) network. Consider a roaming mobile node with home network H >>> that attaches to visited network V1. It obtains DMM service from V1, >>> obtaining an IP address topologically routed from the Internet directly >>> to V1. Now consider this MN performing a handoff from V1 to another >>> visited network V2. V2 has a roaming agreement with H (otherwise the >>> MN would not be able to get service) but has absolutely no business >>> arrangement with V1. Therefore, it is impossible for the network-based >>> mobility scheme to support re-routing or tunneling the packets destined >>> to the original V1 address to network V2. We must therefore support >>> fall-back to a client-based OTT global mobility scheme, using the fact >>> that both V1 and V2 offer connectivity to the same Internet, if the MN >>> wants to keep using the address it got while connected to V1. >>> >>> Allocation of a global mobility anchor should be coupled to allocation >>> of the address for which global mobility is needed. There are already >>> DHCP extensions to carry HA IP addresses which could be used for this >>> purpose. The MN-HA security association should also be bootstrapped at >>> this time, so that the establishment of security does not add latency >>> at the time the global mobility service is invoked. We need to >>> investigate whether the current DHCP extension provides the right kind >>> of HA identifier to the MN or whether a DNS name would be more helpful >>> in bootstrapping security. >>> >>> The global mobility anchor may invoke Module I to get the HoA- >>> addressed packets delivered to itself before tunneling them to the MN's >>> CoA. The MN should make use of Module I for its CoA in its new visited >>> network to minimize the number of global mobility location update >>> messages it needs to send to the anchor point. >>> >>> >>> IV. Security >>> >>> Module I depends on a secure network access control protocol to provide >>> an authenticated MN identity. Similarly, Module III requires >>> bootstrapping a security association between MN and HA. So far, the >>> AAA suite of protocols have been used for this purpose. However, it >>> may be possible to further optimize this process and unify the >>> credentials used by the various nodes if new solutions are >>> investigated. Eliminating the round-trip to the home AAA server would >>> dramatically improve the performance of network attachment and MN- HA >>> SA establishment. Making use of DNS-based public key credentials that >>> can be locally cached may allow the elimination of this round-trip and >>> improve the scalability of home network infrastructure. >>> >>> These enhancements to security can be decoupled from the rest of the >>> architecture and investigated separately. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think it's important for the DMM working group to investigate all 4 >>> of the above solution components, even though most people in the group >>> are probably focused on Module I for now. We need to understand how >>> the pieces will fit together into an overall system. To the extent we >>> need to make changes to MN implementation practices, we should publish >>> advice in Informational RFCs. To the extent we need to modify protocols >>> that are outside the scope of DMM, we should send requirements to other >>> working groups and encourage the work to get done. >> >> >> Makes sense to me. > > Ok, good. Maybe if we can get agreement on the various pieces we can > arrive at an updated framework document. > > -Pete > >> >> marco >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peter J. McCann >>> Huawei Technologies (USA) >>> [email protected] >>> +1 908 541 3563 >>> Rm. 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