Re: draft-yegin-ip-mobility-orchestrator-00.txt

Jouni Korhonen <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.nemo
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Alper,

7/16/2014 9:40 AM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
> Hi Jouni,
>
> Thank you for the review and feedback.
> Please see below.
>
>>
>> Alper,
>>
>> I had a quick read on the document. There are few places that I need clarification for my own education.. since I have a feeling that the text does not say everyting it assumes a priori. Furthermore, I got some more editorial comments.
>>
>> Section 3. says:
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>>    Solutions operating above the IP layer include MPTCP, SCTP, SIP, and
>>    application-specific ones.  Availability of these protocols cannot be
>>
>> I would add references to SCTP and SIP specifications that actually add the handover functionality to the listed protocols. Also, there could be more protocols to add like DCCP..
>>
>
> OK.
>
>> During the handovers are multiradio cases ruled out or also applicable or even assumed? I cannot see that clearly from the motivation or solution part.
>>
>
> Just like for any of our base IETF protocols, we cannot assume multiple radios exist on a given node.
> So, this solution works even for single-radio nodes.

Ok.. I get confused by Figure 1 saying the sub-IP mobility is PMIPv6. 
AFAIR what is in figure is somewhat stretching what PMIPv6 does now. 
That is also what I meant about assumptions that are not said.

>> Section 4.1. says:
>>
>>    data-path optimization.  On the other hand, above-IP solutions
>>    provide data-path optimization but fail to provide seamless
>>    handovers.  The ideal solution would be based on coordianted
>>
>> I do not agree this fully. "Above-IP solution" allow seamless handovers in cases where you can have multiple radios on simultaneously.
>>
>
> That's right. But we are providing a solution for the general case where there's only one connected radio.
> We can add "multi-radio" considerations (as a special case) in the next version of the draft.
>
>> In Figure 2. and the related text:
>>
>> What is unclear to me is s-GW would keep the IP1 when the MN attaches to t-GW. What is the background assumption here? Is MN attached to both GWs simultaneously?
>>
>
>
> The MN has a single radio connection. But, it can maintain its previous IP address with the help of a tunnel between the s-GW and the MN or t-GW.
> This is what we call "access network anchoring".

I might be a good idea to clarify that a handover from s-GW to t-GW 
specifically with a single radio does not cause s-GW to think the MN is 
not under its control anymore.. even if the s-GW notices that the MN has 
lost the radio connectivity. Same also on the MN side.. even if the 
radio connectivity to the s-GW was lost, it does not imply discarding 
the IP from the interface..

- Jouni


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> Alper
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>
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>> - Jouni
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>> 7/4/2014 10:10 AM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>> Hello DMMers,
>>>
>>> We have a new I-D for your reading and discussion.
>>>
>>>   Title           : IP Mobility Orchestrator
>>>   Authors     : Alper Yegin
>>>                        Jungshin Park
>>>                        Kisuk Kweon
>>>                        Jinsung Lee
>>> Filename   : draft-yegin-ip-mobility-orchestrator-00.txt
>>> Pages         : 13
>>> Date            : 2014-07-03
>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>>    Host stacks can support mobility at multiple layers.  Mobility
>>>    protocols operating at different layers constitute alternate
>>>    solutions with various pros and cons, and they can also have adverse
>>>    affects on each other when used simultaneously.  Optimal results in
>>>    terms of seamless handover and data-path optimization can be achieved
>>>    when execution of these protocols are coordinated.
>>>
>>> We'll also be submitting an IPR statement to IETF.
>>>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yegin-ip-mobility-orchestrator/
>>>
>>> Please review this I-D and share your comments.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Alper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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