Re: Going forward with the DMM work items

Hi Fred,


On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Templin, Fred L
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Behcet,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Behcet Sarikaya
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:22 PM
>> To: Brian Haberman
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Going forward with the DMM work items
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> You deleted maybe by mistake the first three paragraphs of my previous mail.
>>
>> Let me add to those one more point:
>>
>> Previously mobility groups in IETF produced single protocols like
>> Mobile IP or Proxy Mobile IP.
>> These protocols have seen some operator adoption, of course not much but some.
>> This time we will be asking the operators to adopt exposing mobility
>> state protocol, enhanced mobility anchoring protocol and forwarding
>> path and signaling protocol (maybe forwarding path protocol and
>> signaling protocol)l.
>> And maybe deployment models protocol which was in the charter but
>> somehow got dropped.
>> How is that going to happen?

Do you plan to divide your solution into

exposing mobility state protocol,
enhanced mobility anchoring protocol.
 forwarding path protocol
signaling protocol ?

That is the way things are going.
Otherwise you are off track.


>>
>> Anyway these are my concerns, I could not attend Interim call #2, I
>> believe many people could not including Jouni.
>
> Jouni was able to attend the call. I was on the call and asked the
> question as to whether non-MIPv6/PMIPv6 solutions could be considered
> and the answer I got (I think from Jouni) was "possibly".
>
>> People should speak up, otherwise it appears like it is only my issue.
>
> AERO is a solution alternative that I would like to see taken under
> wider consideration within this domain. I think that is starting to
> happen through some of the recent list discussions, so others on the
> list should now be coming aware of it. I also plan to attend IETF91
> where I would ask for another AERO presentation timeslot if it would
> please the wg and the chairs.
>
> So, it seems to me that I am already doing all I can. Do you think
> I should be doing more?

I think you are trying to push your own solution and you think that
you are effective in it.

I think DMM should see the big picture and everybody, including Ryuji,
Satoru and others should speak up.

Regards,

Behcet

>
> Thanks - Fred
> [email protected]
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Behcet
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Brian Haberman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/26/14 11:14 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> My question is we do that three four solution drafts and some of them
>> >> implemented.
>> >> What do we do with them?
>> >
>> > My expectation, as AD, is that the WG will assess the drafts presented
>> > by these teams for adoption.  People's opinion of those drafts should
>> > not be influenced by the fact they were written by a team.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> My advice to those colleagues wishing to lead the design teams is to
>> >> please come up with your own solution and get into the race with
>> >> others.
>> >
>> > Race?
>> >
>> >> How come they can get the hat of DT lead and produce something and get
>> >> priority over others who worked so hard?
>> >
>> > First of all, the chairs are well within their right to appoint DT
>> > leads.  They could have appointed all the other slots on the DT as well,
>> > but chose to ask for volunteers.
>> >
>> > I do not see anything in Jouni's note that indicates that a team's
>> > output gets any preferential treatment.  The rules of the IETF prevent that.
>> >
>> > To re-enforce Jouni's last sentence...
>> >
>> >>> These documents will be equivalent to any individual produced I-D, though.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Brian
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > dmm mailing list
>> > [email protected]
>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dmm mailing list
>> [email protected]
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm