[openpgp] Re: Fwd: I-D list for Open Specification for Pre tty Good Privacy notification: Changes to draft-gallagher-openp gp-code-point-exhaustion

Hi Heiko & all,

The persistent symmetric keys draft currently proposes to use the public​ persistent key algorithm ID range 0b10000000-0b10001111 (128-143) for symmetric algorithms, to make it easy to check whether a given algorithm is symmetric.

We could of course shift this over, to e.g. 0b01000000-0b01001111 (64-79). Though, then we're putting them much closer to the currently used algorithms. Whether that's a good or a bad thing I don't know. Perhaps it doesn't matter much.

So, if the WG is in favor of that I can make that change, of course. But, I just personally think that reserving half of every OpenPGP registry for future expansion purposes is unnecessary; reserving a single value (e.g. 255) should be enough.

Once we fill all the IANA registries with "128-255: Reserved", I imagine in might require a lot of arguing to revert that, so I would prefer that we do that arguing and agree on a strategy for future expansion now, if we think it might be needed at some point :)

Best,
Daniel

On Thursday, March 20th, 2025 at 15:44, Heiko Schäfer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm sure much discussion would be needed to positively decide in favor of the scheme proposed in draft-gallagher-openpgp-code-point-exhaustion.
>
> However, as I understand it, the only immediate question that this draft is effectively asking is: "do we want to reserve bit 8, for now?"
>
> I have not seen any compelling argument against this proposition, so far.
>
> So as a defensive stance, I'm in favor of "reserving bit 8" for all code points where this bit is still unused. At least until there is a compelling argument why the currently vacant second half of a particular code point space is required for some proposed new feature.
>
> Thanks,
> Heiko
>
> On 3/18/25 5:44 PM, Andrew Gallagher wrote:
>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> Apologies for uploading this so close to the meeting date, but it’s been sitting in my draft documents for some time now and I want to bring it to the list before we make a final decision about code point allocation for PQC and persistent symmetric algorithms.
>>
>> tl;dr: please keep code points >=128 free, because if at some point in the future we needed to extend the algorithm registry to more than a single octet, having these code points available would let us define a UTF8-like self-synchronising encoding that would be fully backwards compatible with all existing wire formats.
>>
>> Yes, I said “all”. Please read the document, and feel free to ask questions! ;-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> A
>>
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>>> Subject: I-D list for Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy notification: Changes to draft-gallagher-openpgp-code-point-exhaustion
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>>> Date: 18 March 2025 at 16:33:13 GMT
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>>> Document: draft-gallagher-openpgp-code-point-exhaustion,
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>>> Change by Andrew Gallagher on 2025-03-18 09:33 PDT:
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