[openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc

On Tue 2025-05-13 23:11:33 +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> - I think (but am not 100% sure) we want it to be true that
>    no implementation makes unexpected multiple uses of any
> secret or private value at any time. For example, KEM
> private values when sending a mail to multiple recipients
> or signature private keys when signing twice with algs
> 32/33. Is that the case?  If so, should we say it (more)
> explicitly? We almost do say this in a few places, some of
> which RECOMMEND not re-using, others of which call for
> "independent" generation. Is this something we could
> tighten up on without breaking any use-cases? If we do have
> some real use-case that needs to re-use a secret or private
> value, (basically other than multiple alg-specific signing
> private key use), can we describe that as the
> counter-example to just saying RECOMMENDED rather than MUST
> NOT?

I have the impression that it's a RECOMMENDED because ⓐ some people
might have hardware keys that they feel obliged to reuse (yet another
reason why hardware keys are problematic), but also ⓑ it would be
unenforceable as a MUST.  It's not going to be an interoperability issue
unless the keyholder's peers reject certificates that share public key
material.

I don't think anyone is seriously contemplating asking OpenPGP
implementations to reject a certificate with shared public key material.

I wouldn't object if the draft were to explicitly call out the ⓐ case as
the exception to the SHOULD, though it makes me sad to justify bad
protocol choices based on bad hardware/software choices.  Are there any
other plausible reasons why someone would want to re-use?

> - 2.1: Five is IMO too many signature options. Can we not
>    reduce that number?  If not (as I suspect, I always lose
> this argument;-) then it'll help with later document
> processing if we can document why we need five in e.g. an
> email, in case someone asks, which they probably will.  (I
> forget if we covered this specifically in earlier debates
> sorry, if a reference provides a good answer, that's just
> fine.)

I agree that 5 is a lot, but it's not much compared to the full zoo.
Count yourself lucky, Stephen ☺

I'd welcome a simple MR that tries to describe the justifications.

> - I didn't check the appendices/examples, but I know others
>    have (thanks!).  We should also get somoene to confirm on
> the list that the set of examples in the version we forward
> for publication are (still) ok, again in an email to the
> list so we can point to that later.

Agreed, this would be great to have in a reportback on-list from the
interoperability test suite, as the test vectors stabilize.

> - nit: We use ":=" without definition, and I'd say just
> "=" would be just as good?

sounds reasonable:
https://github.com/openpgp-pqc/draft-openpgp-pqc/pull/186

        --dkg

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