RE: is SMTP a candidate for OPES ?
"Abbie Barbir" <[email protected]>
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+1 Abbie > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Rousskov [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:16 PM > To: jfcm > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: is SMTP a candidate for OPES ? > > > > jfc, > > IMHO, the stupidity of judges or laws should not limit > OPES scope. OPES framework (in a broad sense) is applicable > to any communication between content producer and content > consumer. Whether the unit of communication is "stored and > forwarded" or "just forwarded" is irrelevant from > architecture/scope point of view. It may affect how and when > the adaptations are performed, but not whether they can be > performed in an OPES-compliant way. > > The old OPES architecture draft may not reflect this > and other scope concerns, but that's a different question/problem. > > Alex. > > > On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, jfcm wrote: > > > > > The attached piece of real world's information seems to be worth > > consideration. This is legal, political and US centric. > Nevertheless > > it means that SMTP (mail transfer) is not seen by many (legally and > > technically) as a stream but as fast store and forward and that > > different legal rules (and therefore > > applications/business/demands/offers may be conceived depending on > > where is the filter (on the protocol or on the node). > > > > It seems to me this is another contradiction of OPES/ONES with the > > "protocol on the wire" and "dumb network/smart host" concepts. I am > > not an SMPT pro, but I suppose that the difference is that in HTTP > > forwards a flow of datagrams while SMTP > stops+store+forwards a group > > of datagrams building an entire message. For example, you > cannot know > > the true user's value of a mail before you got to the > attachement or > > to the final signature. jfc > > > > -------------- > > > > From the New York Times -- > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/06/technology/06net.html > > > > You've Got Mail (and Court Says Others Can Read It) > > By SAUL HANSELL > > > > When everything is working right, an e-mail message appears to zip > > instantaneously from the sender to the recipient's inbox. But in > > reality, most messages make several momentary stops as they are > > processed by various computers en route to their destination. > > > > Those short stops may make no difference to the users, but > they make > > an enormous difference to the privacy that e-mail is accorded under > > federal law. > > > > Last week a federal appeals court in Boston ruled that > federal wiretap > > laws do not apply to e-mail messages if they are stored, even for a > > millisecond, on the computers of the Internet providers > that process > > them - meaning that it can be legal for the government or others to > > read such messages without a court order. > > > > The ruling was a surprise to many people, because in 1986 Congress > > specifically amended the wiretap laws to incorporate new > technologies > > like e-mail. Some argue that the ruling's implications could affect > > emerging applications like Internet-based phone calls and Gmail, > > Google's new e-mail service, which shows advertising based on the > > content of a subscriber's e-mail messages. > > > > "The court has eviscerated the protections that Congress > established > > back in the 1980's," said Marc Rotenberg, the executive director of > > the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a civil liberties group. > > > > But other experts argue that the Boston case will have little > > practical effect. The outcry, said Stuart Baker, a privacy > lawyer with > > Steptoe & Johnson in Washington, is "much ado about nothing." > > > > Mr. Baker pointed out that even under the broadest > interpretation of > > the law, Congress made it easier for prosecutors and > lawyers in civil > > cases to read other people's e-mail messages than to listen > to their > > phone calls. The wiretap law - which requires prosecutors to prove > > their need for a wiretap and forbids civil litigants from > ever using > > them - applies to e-mail messages only when they are in transit. > > > > But in a 1986 law, Congress created a second category, > called stored > > communication, for messages that had been delivered to recipients' > > inboxes but not yet read. That law, the Stored Communications Act, > > grants significant protection to e-mail messages, but does > not go as > > far as the wiretap law: it lets prosecutors have access to stored > > messages with a search warrant, while imposing stricter > requirements > > on parties in civil suits. > > > > Interestingly, messages that have been read but remain on > the Internet > > provider's computer system have very little protection. Prosecutors > > can typically gain access to an opened e-mail message with a simple > > subpoena rather than a search warrant. Similarly, lawyers in civil > > cases, including divorces, can subpoena opened e-mail messages. > > > > The case in Boston involved an online bookseller, now > called Alibris. > > In 1998, the company offered e-mail accounts to book dealers and, > > hoping to gain market advantage, secretly copied messages they > > received from Amazon.com. In 1999, Alibris and one employee pleaded > > guilty to criminal wiretapping charges. > > > > But a supervisor, Bradford C. Councilman, fought the > charges, saying > > he did not know about the scheme. He also moved to have the case > > dismissed on the ground that the wiretapping law did not apply. He > > argued that because the messages had been on the hard drive of > > Alibris's computer while they were being processed for > delivery, they > > counted as stored communication. The wiretap law bans a > company from > > monitoring the communications of its customers, except in a > few cases. > > But it does not ban a company from reading customers' stored > > communications. > > > > "Congress recognized that any time you store communication, > there is > > an inherent loss of privacy," said Mr. Councilman's lawyer, Andrew > > Good of Good & Cormier in Boston. > > > > In 2003, a federal district court in Boston agreed with Mr. > > Councilman's interpretation of the wiretap law and > dismissed the case. > > Last week, the First Circuit Court of Appeals, in a 2-to-1 > decision, > > affirmed that decision. > > > > Because most major Internet providers have explicit > policies against > > reading their customers' e-mail messages, the ruling would seem to > > have little effect on most people. > > > > But this year Google is testing a service called Gmail, which > > electronically scans the content of the e-mail messages its > customers > > receive and then displays related ads. Privacy groups have > argued that > > the service is intrusive, and some have claimed it violates wiretap > > laws. The Councilman decision, if it stands, could undercut that > > argument. > > > > Federal prosecutors, who often argue that wiretap > restrictions do not > > apply in government investigations, were in the somewhat surprising > > position of arguing that those same laws should apply to Mr. > > Councilman's conduct. A spokesman for the United States attorney's > > office in Boston said the department had not decided whether to > > appeal. > > > > Mr. Baker said that another federal appeals court ruling, in San > > Francisco, is already making it hard for prosecutors to retrieve > > e-mail that has been read and remains on an Internet provider's > > system. > > > > In that case, Theofel v. Farey-Jones, a small Internet provider > > responded to a subpoena by giving a lawyer copies of 339 e-mail > > messages received by two of its customers. > > > > The customers claimed the subpoena was so broad it violated the > > wiretap and stored communication laws. A district court agreed the > > subpoenas were too broad, but ruled they were within the law. The > > plaintiffs appealed, and the Justice Department filed a > friend of the > > court brief arguing that the Stored Communications Act should not > > apply. > > > > In February, the appeals court ruled that e-mail stored on the > > computer server of an Internet provider is indeed covered by the > > Stored Communications Act, even after it has been read. The court > > noted that the act refers both to messages before they are > delivered > > and to backup copies kept by the Internet provider. "An obvious > > purpose for storing a message on an I.S.P.'s server after > delivery," > > the court wrote, " is to provide a second copy of the > message in the > > event that the user needs to download it again - if, for > example, the > > message is accidentally erased from the user's own computer." > > > > Calling e-mail "stored communication" does not necessarily reduce > > privacy protections for most e-mail users. While the > Councilman ruling > > would limit the applicability of wiretap laws to e-mail, it > appears to > > apply to a very small number of potential cases. The > Theofel decision, > > by contrast, by defining more e-mail as "stored communications," is > > restricting access to e-mail in a wide range of cases in the Ninth > > Circuit, and could have a far greater effect on privacy if > courts in > > the rest of the country follow that ruling. > > > > > >