Re: RE: [MIB-DOCTORS] Mandatory Requirement for configuration by SNMP
Jon Saperia <[email protected]> Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:05:47 -0500
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--===============1756205867== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-34--132846299 --Apple-Mail-34--132846299 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed If one could get must, that would be ideal, but the long-term issue remains open. /jon On Nov 6, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: > I can live with a a MUST allow for SNMP config, if that is > what the WG consciously decided for (has consensus on). > > I saw DBH comment too. I can also live with a SHOULD, > but it does make the potential interoperability less sure. > The reason DBH mentions sounds fine, but they can always > relax (i.e. update the RFC0 if/when in the future we have > a new/other/alternative/better protocol available. > > my 2 cents > > Bert > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 09:37 >> To: MIB Doctors; [email protected] >> Cc: Mark Townsley >> Subject: [MIB-DOCTORS] Mandatory Requirement for >> configuration by SNMP >> >> >> >> >> I would like to hear the opinion of the MIB Doctors and OPS-NM folks >> concerning the following. The Access Node Control Protocol (ANCP) >> framework document >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ancp-framework- >> 00.txt has >> a management-related requirements section (Section 6) which is quite >> nice. The issue is that the section includes MUST requirements for >> configuration by SNMP. >> >> Is this what we want at this stage of evolution of the IETF >> management >> protocols, or should we advice them to do something different? >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MIB-DOCTORS mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mib-doctors >> > > _______________________________________________ > OPS-NM mailing list > [email protected] > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-nm Jon Saperia --Apple-Mail-34--132846299 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">If one could get must, that = would be ideal, but the long-term issue remains = open.<DIV>/jon<BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 6, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Wijnen, Bert = (Bert) wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE = type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I can live with a a MUST allow = for SNMP config, if that is</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">what the WG = consciously decided for (has consensus on).</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I saw DBH = comment too. I can also live with a SHOULD,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">but it = does make the potential interoperability less sure.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">The reason DBH mentions sounds fine, but they can = always</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">relax (i.e. update the RFC0 = if/when in the future we have</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">a = new/other/alternative/better protocol available.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">my 2 = cents</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Bert</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> = <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-----Original = Message-----</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [<A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</A>]</DIV><DI= V style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 09:37</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To: MIB Doctors; <A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Cc: Mark Townsley</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: = [MIB-DOCTORS] Mandatory Requirement for<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">configuration by SNMP<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I would = like to hear the opinion of the MIB Doctors and OPS-NM folks</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">concerning the following. The Access Node Control = Protocol (ANCP)</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">framework document</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><A = href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ancp-framework-">ht= tp://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ancp-framework-</A></DIV><DIV= style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">00.txt has</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">a = management-related requirements section (Section 6) which is = quite</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">nice. The issue is that the = section includes MUST requirements for</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">configuration by SNMP.<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Is this what = we want at this stage of evolution of the IETF management</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">protocols, or should we advice them to do something = different?<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">Dan</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">MIB-DOCTORS mailing list</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><A = href=3D"https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mib-doctors">https://www1.i= etf.org/mailman/listinfo/mib-doctors</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; 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