[OPS-AREA]Re: [External] [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@I ETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Collabor ation Opportunities [Commercial - Anyone]
Brad Peters <[email protected]> Fri, 26 Jun 2026 00:53:29 +0000
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Spot on about data models versus information models. RFC 3444 still holds t=
rue here, they definitely serve completely different purposes depending on =
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On the temporal side, dealing with fast-streaming state data versus slow-mo=
ving graph data definitely points to a hybrid approach. Have you looked at =
the Telefonica setup in the ETSI Common Information Model? Using a context =
broker keyed on the same IRI looks
like a practical way to bridge that gap.</div>
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I must have missed the 'Ontology Reconciliation Draft' you mentioned (feel =
free to provide a link). But parsing your point about agents reconciling wi=
th 'no common data model assumed', I read that as absolutely requiring some=
kind of higher-layer model to act
as a shared anchor. They need that upper layer to establish a common under=
standing, completely irrespective of the specific data models sitting under=
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The real value for standardisation is moving up the abstraction stack to bu=
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There isn't a universally accepted standard information model for the netwo=
rk right now, meaning there is limited ability to achieve a cognitive appro=
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<b>From:</b> Christopher Janz <christopher.janz=3D40huawei.com@dmar=
c.ietf.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 25 June 2026 9:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brad Peters <[email protected]>; Thomas.Graf@sw=
isscom.com <[email protected]>; [email protected] <ops-area=
@ietf.org>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <n=
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om><br>
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Hi Brad,</p>
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sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
I agree with you on direction: AI-native autonomy and grounding probabilist=
ic agents in something factual. I=A1=A6d like to pull a bit more on the mod=
eling thread.</p>
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sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Data models and knowledge graphs are both concrete commitments to an ontolo=
gy =A1X one as schema, the other as schema populated with instances. So, it=
=A1=A6s really a question of purpose: which representation is best suited t=
o a given objective. A data model commits
meaning to a specific machine form, which buys determinism and verifiabili=
ty at the cost of flexibility =A1X a YANG module is the right artifact wher=
e a stable, high-volume interface needs interop (config, telemetry subscrip=
tions). A graph suits the cases where
the questions are cross-domain and not knowable in advance =A1X correlatin=
g inventory, topology, alarms, telemetry, anomalies that no single system o=
wns.</p>
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sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Anomaly diagnosis I=A1=A6d put on the graph side =A1X mostly correlation an=
d traversal over heterogeneous, incompletely-anticipated evidence. But hybr=
id: link the fast telemetry rather than ingest it. Which is your tempo=
ral-gap design =A1X graph for the slow-moving relationships,
streamed models for the fast state.</p>
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sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
But one might ask: what is the best focal point for standardization going f=
orward? The emerging world is one in which systems are cognitive. In t=
he pre-cognitive world, data models =A1X a stable basis for system-to-syste=
m communication =A1X were the natural targets
for standardization. Cognitive systems may not require that basis <i>a pri=
ori</i>. Your YANG=A1=F7OWL compiler is, in effect, the first step =A1X the=
=A1=A7lift=A1=A8 portion =A1X of a mediation: making a model=A1=A6s implic=
it ontology explicit. The ontology reconciliation draft I
mentioned takes it from there, with two cognitive agents reconciling their=
ontologies conversationally and generating deterministic translators, no c=
ommon data model assumed.</p>
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sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
So, the effective question may be: if agents can converge on semantics and =
lexicon by themselves =A1X no initially shared data model, implicit ontolog=
ies that may differ in various ways =A1X what is most useful to standardize=
? My bet is categorical ontologies and
their terminologies =A1X shared reference cores that ground, de-risk and s=
peed automated mediation without imposing rigidity. Tellingly, a hard field=
problem cuts the same way: identity resolution =A1X deciding that several =
systems=A1=A6 identifiers denote the same switch
=A1X is never solved by a rigid, complete data model (that only breeds tra=
nslation tables and exception logic); it is made tractable by shared refere=
nce semantics, which align the attributes you match on and move resolution =
from the probabilistic regime toward
the deterministic one. That speaks to where standardization earns its keep=
, not to dissolving entity resolution, which stays implementation. Of cours=
e, purpose-optimized data models would remain useful references and example=
s, and KGs are important system
tools =A1X but the high-leverage standard artifacts may be moving up the a=
bstraction stack, toward shared ontological cores rather than complete onto=
logies and fixed data structures.</p>
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sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Best,</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
">Chris</p>
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"><b>From:</b> Brad Peters <[email protected].=
org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 21, 2026 7:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]=
g; [email protected]; [email protected]<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email protected]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [nmrg] Re: [External] [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRT=
F/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities [Co=
mmercial - Anyone]</p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Hi Tho=
mas,</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Thank =
you for kicking off this discussion. The intersection of these working grou=
ps aligns perfectly with the transition
the industry is already making: moving from AI-Enabled Network Operations =
to AI-Native Autonomous Operations.</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">To dir=
ectly address your questions regarding how AI agents interact with Knowledg=
e Graphs, Intent, and YANG data, I believe
we must first distinguish between automation and autonomy.</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Curren=
tly, most industry efforts focus on AI-enabled operations, essentially usin=
g AI to assist human operators within
legacy functional processes. This places a layer of automation on top of e=
xisting silos (event/fault, performance, security, accounting). The fatal f=
law here is that our current event/telemetry pipelines are fundamentally de=
signed for human consumption. We
aggressively filter, aggregate, and discard high-frequency signals because=
a human operator cannot process them. By doing so, we actively destroy the=
granular context an AI needs.</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Creati=
ng a foundational model of the network and enriching it with state-based an=
d fast-moving contextual data like streaming
telemetry, is critical for providing AI agents with the information they n=
eed. We must shift from design-time hardcoding to run-time enablement. Agen=
ts must be able to self-adapt while remaining grounded in factual reality, =
complete with the capability to
safely test and evaluate insights before execution.</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">AI-Nat=
ive management is about true autonomy: operating on the network with comple=
te, unified context to produce an action
with a high confidence interval. This is where the intersection of your me=
ntioned topics becomes critical:</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blac=
k; margin: 12pt 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt;" role=3D"presentation">=
Grounding the Agent: LLMs are inherently probabilistic. To make determ=
inistic, factual decisions, they require a grounding point. Knowledge Graph=
s (KGs) provide this definitive, end-to-end
view of the network state.</span></li></ul>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<ul style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blac=
k; margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt;" role=3D"presentation">=
Run-Time vs. Design-Time: Legacy automation embeds operational knowled=
ge directly into the application code, creating a massive barrier to change=
. A well-structured ontology allows us to
separate the knowledge from the application. Agents can infer and reason o=
ver the graph to adapt at run-time rather than waiting for design-time code=
changes.</span></li></ul>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<ul style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blac=
k; margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt;" role=3D"presentation">=
Bridging the Temporal Gap: A Knowledge Graph provides the deterministi=
c baseline of slow-moving inventory and topological state. Real-time mechan=
isms like YANG-Push and gRPC provide the
fast moving state and potentially temporal (TSDB) data that overlays onto =
that graph. Together, they give the agent a complete slice of the operation=
al environment to evaluate and test proposed changes before execution. (Use=
of a context broker as per Telefonicia
ETSI Common Information Model).</span></li></ul>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">This a=
rchitectural shift is actively gaining traction. Just today, CommsDay (an A=
ustralian Communication focused publication)
highlighted a major Australian carrier rearchitecting their operations aro=
und a knowledge plane for the reasons above. I presented on this exact chal=
lenge at the Broadband Forum in March, specifically addressing the TM Forum=
autonomy ladder and the "Knowledge
Limit" that is hit at Level 3 if we rely on event-driven automation r=
ather than knowledge-driven autonomy.</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">This l=
inks directly to, and is supported by, the previous IETF Knowledge Graph te=
am papers:</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<ul style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blac=
k; margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" role=3D"p=
resentation"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mackey-nmop-=
kg-for-netops/" id=3D"OWA6da7818c-4558-e03d-7ad1-435adbd31348" class=3D"OWA=
AutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mackey-nmop=
-kg-for-netops/" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: blue;"><u>http=
s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mackey-nmop-kg-for-netops/</u></a></span=
></li></ul>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<ul style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blac=
k; margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" role=3D"p=
resentation"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tailhardat-n=
mop-incident-management-noria/" id=3D"OWAc3e64385-ac2a-96ad-a80f-4d11b2edd1=
a3" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d=
raft-tailhardat-nmop-incident-management-noria/" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable=
" style=3D"color: blue;"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tailhard=
at-nmop-incident-management-noria/</u></a></span></li></ul>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Regard=
ing "running code" and practical intersections, I have been devel=
oping a semantic compiler to translate IETF YANG
models into OWL ontologies. The goal is to layer additional semantics on t=
op of the base models to support AI agents, integrating RFC9315 Operational=
Intent with TM Forum ontologies (like the TIO). You can view the current p=
rogress of bridging these domains
here: </span><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: bl=
ue;"><a href=3D"https://github.com/bradspau/Network-Ontology-Knowledge-Grap=
hs" id=3D"OWA02064a11-4230-9c0c-f1ec-e102b2533f01" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" or=
iginalsrc=3D"https://github.com/bradspau/Network-Ontology-Knowledge-Graphs"=
data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-=
bottom: 0px;"><u>https://github.com/bradspau/Network-Ontology-Knowledge-Gra=
phs</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color=
: black;">.</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">I beli=
eve exploring this semantic bridge, how IETF data models map to the ontolog=
ies required by systems for autonomous
reasoning, would be a highly valuable agenda item for our joint discussion=
s.</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Ultima=
tely, this technology change demands a rethink of who is conducting th=
e processes of the past. Are we still curating
data for human limitations, creating dashboards, and relying upon human in=
terpretation? Or are agents and systems now the primary receivers of data, =
responsible for producing tested operational insights and recommendations?<=
/span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Will b=
e interesting to see how this unfolds with those that are current implement=
ers/developping. </span></p>
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s-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; color: black;">Cheers.</span></p>
<p style=3D"background-color: white; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Aptos; color: black;"><b><br>
Brad </b></span></p>
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"><span style=3D"color: black;"><b>From:</b> </span><span style=3D"col=
or: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAccf8919b-13=
ad-54f9-4e56-729ac59e9af0" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: blue; marg=
in-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span=
><span style=3D"color: black;"> <</span><span style=3D"color: blue;=
"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA309f8a9e-453e-92c1-c=
5ba-50a1cca49fc3" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0=
px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span st=
yle=3D"color: black;">><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 21 June 2026 6:43 PM<br>
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[email protected]" id=3D"OWA6b80d74d-08b9-5d87-fb2e-179a336c0e42" class=3D"OWAAu=
toLink" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>ops-=
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"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u><=
/a></span><span style=3D"color: black;"> <</span><span style=3D"col=
or: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA39a017ec-aa4e-c6b5-8=
8f1-ae70fe740d8d" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0=
px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"co=
lor: black;">>;
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OWAebf1d9ba-dbb8-2dfe-8e32-e3f9eb9465d0" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"col=
or: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></s=
pan><span style=3D"color: black;"> <</span><span style=3D"color: bl=
ue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA05da21c0-1f5c-06b4-ead5-5be5=
d9a25a61" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; marg=
in-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black=
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or: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></s=
pan><span style=3D"color: black;"> <</span><span style=3D"color: bl=
ue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA3ce9aa66-bd48-7e92-7f88-4bb8=
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in-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black=
;">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:moham=
[email protected]" id=3D"OWAf5699830-2220-e2ab-0b03-4d8626735304" cla=
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x;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: bla=
ck;"> <</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:mohame=
[email protected]" id=3D"OWAcb4e085b-6a0a-2de5-3dc0-6c3c08586cb8" clas=
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;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: blac=
k;">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS =
Transfer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;=
"> </p>
</div>
<p><span style=3D"color: red;"><b>EXTERNAL SENDER =A1V Be cautious opening =
Links and Attachments</b></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Dear NMRG, NMOP, OPSAWG and OPSAREA,</s=
pan></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">First of all many thanks to Brad, Dan, =
Christopher, Alex, Qin and Bernard on their feedback. That=A1=A6s a great s=
tart.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">I have been following this thread close=
ly
</span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ie=
tf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/" id=3D"OWA1e976ca4-35db-d=
3b9-b91b-7969e918c796" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://mailarc=
hive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/" data-auth=3D"NotA=
pplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-botto=
m: 0px;"><u>https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUW=
mPP4oMg/</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS"=
, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> to
understand wherever research and industry adoption comes closer together, =
wherever there is interest for having a joint discussion and on what partic=
ular topic.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">What I observed so far is that we all s=
hare that AI in general and also AIOps research and adoption rate has drama=
tically increased. So far everybody was very
supportive on having a joint discussion. I would be interested to have mor=
e feedback, especially also from those who think that it would not bring mu=
ch benefit with reasons why.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">From what I observed, having an initial=
discussion on the following existing working group document topics and how=
they intersect</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(=
14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Network Digital Twin (</span><span style=3D"=
font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: =
rgb(70, 120, 134);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch" id=3D"OWA053a1fb=
5-d1c4-1b59-d812-ba226f11e84f" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https:/=
/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch" d=
ata-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u>https://d=
atatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch</u><=
/a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;=
font-size: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">)</span></li><li style=3D"font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: =
0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Intent-Based Networking (</span><span style=
=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; col=
or: rgb(70, 120, 134);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases" id=3D"OWA37d0c80d-77ed-d8=
2a-2de9-6a4d72b24548" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatrac=
ker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases" data-auth=3D"NotApplica=
ble" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" role=3D"presenta=
tion">)</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size=
: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">SIMAP (</span><span style=3D"font-family: &q=
uot;Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 13=
4);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html=
/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-concept" id=3D"OWA12eb1951-67dc-506c-e98c-97e501b0aa=
3f" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/h=
tml/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-concept" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"col=
or: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf=
-nmop-simap-concept</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuch=
et MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">)</span></=
li><li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: r=
gb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">YANG-Push to Message Broker integration (</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-=
size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"htt=
ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-inte=
gration" id=3D"OWA6ecd7155-92bd-e215-4b59-4abbd787867d" class=3D"OWAAutoLin=
k" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yan=
g-message-broker-integration" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: r=
gb(70, 120, 134);"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop=
-yang-message-broker-integration</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" role=3D"presentatio=
n">)</span></li></ul>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">and then having a discussions on the fo=
llowing raised questions perhaps:</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(=
14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Which AI agents capabilities are suitable fo=
r network management?</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-se=
rif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">What is the impact of an AI network manageme=
nt process to YANG information, service, network and data modelling?</span>=
</li><li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color:=
rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Is MCP (</span><span style=3D"font-family: &=
quot;Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 1=
34);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_=
Context_Protocol" id=3D"OWA6b4ab82c-2dff-e566-efda-6e10577acb6c" class=3D"O=
WAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Prot=
ocol" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u>ht=
tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol</u></a></span><span styl=
e=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" r=
ole=3D"presentation">)
a suitable protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sou=
rces and system components?</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, s=
ans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">How does an AI agent interact with Network D=
igital Twin, Intent-Based Networking, SIMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data=
in Message Brokers?</span></li></ul>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">and move from there into some proposed =
work addressing these areas. And last but not least maybe wrapping up aroun=
d running code. How experiments could facilitate
and exchange between both working groups. Alex brought up that ANRW is onc=
e a year and perhaps on one or two other occasion the two working group cou=
ld continuously actively exchange every year could be an interesting propos=
al.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(=
14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Would that be a potential interesting agenda=
for everybody?</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; f=
ont-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Did I miss anything or shall we focus more o=
n a particular item?</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-ser=
if; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Any particular discussion structure you woul=
d fancy?</span></li></ul>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">I also observed that authors authoring =
Knowledge Graph documents have voiced wherever Knowledge Graph could be a t=
opic of interest. I would love to see more discussions
from other areas on this in particular how this intersects with AIOps and =
AI assisted network management topics. I saw also that ontologies have been=
mentioned, which I personally besides semantics believe plays an important=
role with interacting with AI agents.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">As I am human, and not an AI agent, the=
observations and suggestions might be unintentionally bias. So please feed=
back and comment.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Best wishes</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thomas</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<div style=3D"padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(225, 225, 225=
);">
<p><b>From:</b> Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 1, 2026 7:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nmop <<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAe5166905-3a87-c403-fda1-831d2ab98d08" cl=
ass=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; mar=
gin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span>>;
<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
id=3D"OWAcbdd63f7-2ce3-547d-8488-1f6a4bb8764f" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=
=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>nmrg=
@irtf.org</u></a></span><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mohamed Boucadair <<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 13=
4);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA59c45c7e-5cbd=
-f6e0-7f18-b457f702f17c" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120,=
134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]=
m</u></a></span>>;
nmrg-chairs <<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAd52daae2-2123-ef4d-931f-b4985844db12" clas=
s=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margi=
n-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span>>;
Nmop-chairs <<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAd2a42961-aa6c-928c-8b73-601c61ba419e" clas=
s=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margi=
n-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status &=
amp; Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</p>
</div>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos;"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Dear NMRG and NMOP,</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Med approached me wherever I am willing=
to facilitate with the support of both working group chairs a discussion b=
etween NMRG and NMOP on common interests.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Looking at the list of current adopted =
documents</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.o=
rg/group/nmrg/documents/" id=3D"OWA3cc94bd2-ddec-f326-4ec3-aa6329e72a02" cl=
ass=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nmrg/=
documents/" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); =
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/group=
/nmrg/documents/</u></a></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.o=
rg/wg/nmop/documents/" id=3D"OWA645e3fd2-6ab0-e277-7c00-c8dfaf6890df" class=
=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/docume=
nts/" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin=
-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/doc=
uments/</u></a></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">but also looking at AIOps related propo=
sals
</span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://github.com/IET=
F-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ietf125.md" id=3D"OWAdef462fb-7ab6-5=
e2c-72b0-d188db6478e9" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://github.=
com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ietf125.md" data-auth=3D"NotA=
pplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-botto=
m: 0px;"><u>https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ie=
tf125.md</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS"=
, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">,
and the related past side meetings in the network management domain, I see=
that the lifecycle on research and industry adoption of model and data dri=
ven network management becomes accelerated and therefore research and indus=
try adoption comes more and more
closer together. Looking at the bluesheets of IETF 125, I see that we had =
107 participants for NMRG and 115 for NMOP and 36 participants were attendi=
ng both NMRG and NMOP.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Or in other words, I personally believe=
that both working groups have a lot in common but also a also few things w=
hich makes them very unique and interesting
to facilitate such a discussion.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">I might be wrong and therefore would li=
ke to get some feedback from both mailing lists first:</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(=
14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Would you agree that the lifecycle on resear=
ch and industry adoption of model and data driven network management become=
s accelerated and therefore research and industry
adoption comes more and more closer together?</span></li></ul>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(=
14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Is there an interest at the NMRG and NMOP co=
mmunities to have an exchange on currently adopted and future proposed work=
to identify synergies and common interests in
both working groups and discuss how they could be addressed better?</span>=
</li></ul>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(=
14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Do you have a particular topic, set of docum=
ents or interest already in mind?</span></li></ul>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Best wishes</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thomas</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p>
<div style=3D"padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(225, 225, 225=
);">
<p><b>From:</b> <span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto=
:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAa67da641-fa52-bbba-07fa-093add3dbdf=
4" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px=
; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span> =
<<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:mohamed.bou=
[email protected]" id=3D"OWA742adfca-0caf-a520-a9de-76c2b36e60c1" class=3D"=
OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 4, 2026 10:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <<span style=3D"color: =
rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA78=
c4392c-0bfc-65d9-95bf-e4a2d6589d63" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: r=
gb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>Thomas.Graf@swis=
scom.com</u></a></span>>;
<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:nmrg-chairs@iet=
f.org" id=3D"OWA6d26cb58-91cd-68aa-51c8-e3a9de6fec8a" class=3D"OWAAutoLink"=
style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><=
u>[email protected]</u></a></span>; Nmop-chairs
<<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:nmop-chair=
[email protected]" id=3D"OWAb9888791-5852-a9e9-9305-2b8a6903b12a" class=3D"OWAAuto=
Link" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0p=
x;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ops-ads <<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA3d89b439-e663-1504-c777-f35780f64ed=
c" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px=
; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span>>;
Dirk KUTSCHER <<span style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAd8bcba1a-734e-0176-5982-36ad9c2a2385" clas=
s=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margi=
n-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status &=
Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</p>
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<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Hi all,</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">I had several disc=
ussions recently with many IETF participants about the relationship between=
some work done in the IRTF and IETF. Specifically, I heard several questio=
ns about the current mode of operation between
NMRG and OPS and whether/how activity transfer is happening between the tw=
o communities. I do see a value in bringing some of these items from hallwa=
y discussion to our formal meetings :-)</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">This can be the op=
portunity to explore between collaboration between the communities, and not=
rely only on the leadership level. See, for example, the following excerpt=
form the NMRG Charter:</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> =A1=
=A7The IETF Operations and Management Area Directors are members of the NMR=
G<br>
mailing list and invited to NMRG meetings in order to ensure f=
ree flow of<br>
information in both directions, and to avoid duplication of wo=
rk with the<br>
various IETF working groups.=A1=A8</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">There are several =
WG/RG pairs that may be considered for collaboration (NMRG/NMOP, MAPRG/IPPM=
, etc.) but I think that it would be better to scope the discussion to a sp=
ecific area. I suggest to focus this time on
NMRG/NMOP.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Thomas kindly acce=
pted to drive a discussion on this topic in the IETF#126 OPSAREA Session wi=
th some proposals to bridge both communities. Thomas is also willing to col=
lect feedback and coordinate between the NMRG/NMOP
Chairs, in particular.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">@NMOP/@NMRG Chairs=
: Would you be interested/willing to work with Thomas to consolidate some d=
iscussion material? Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Thank you.</span><=
/p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Cheers,</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Med</span></p>
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