[OPS-AREA]Re: [nmrg] Re: [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA @IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Coll aboration Opportunities
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--===============4860740076627848215== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="----=_Part_219344_1171002658.1783581180783" Content-Language: en-US ------=_Part_219344_1171002658.1783581180783 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ZR1P278MB11709095E43E7881929D8CF189FE2ZR1P278MB1170CHEP_" Content-Language: en-US --_000_ZR1P278MB11709095E43E7881929D8CF189FE2ZR1P278MB1170CHEP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Iulisloi, Many thanks for sharing https://arxiv.org/pdf/2604.06856. I understood that= you make use of SAIN defined in RFC 9417/9418. As mentioned in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/3h0U0xoAAW6mDQjN= rJjgUvC99hs/, my biased view is that message broker message keying and topi= c addressing schemes with topic compaction described in https://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-message-key could he= lp to facilitate to make the current network state easily discoverable and = accessible to AI agents. Where YANG schema and semantics helping in RAGs to= make LLM's understand the meaning of the network data and streaming catalo= gs helping AI agents to discover interested YANG data and their relationshi= ps. I believe that the same mechanisms can be applied to other data than YANG i= tself. Such as BMP. Where we propose with BMP to YANG transformation descri= bed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-netana-nmop-message-brok= er-bmp-telemetry-msg a semantic rich data model by reusing ietf-bgp YANG mo= del defined at IDR and augmenting BMP related meta data. We envision the sa= me also for IPFIX, which then comes in full circle by covering all 3 networ= k planes. What are your thoughts and comments when reading this? Does that make sense= in context what you are describing in your research paper? Perhaps going 2 steps further. Taking https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html= /draft-ietf-ivy-network-inventory-yang related work, the inventory states i= nto context. But also taking analytical data from Network Anomaly Detection= related documents (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-n= etwork-anomaly-architecture, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ie= tf-nmop-network-anomaly-semantics, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dr= aft-ietf-nmop-network-anomaly-lifecycle), which have some commonalities wit= h intend based SAIN and "plug" AI agents into the anomaly lifecycle optimiz= ation process https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network= -anomaly-lifecycle#section-5. Does that make sense from your perspective? Best wishes Thomas From: Zacarias, Iulisloi <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2026 11:01 AM To: Chongfeng Xie <[email protected]>; Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2= E <[email protected]>; ops-area <[email protected]>; opsawg <opsawg@= ietf.org>; nmop <[email protected]>; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nmrg] Re: [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer= : Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities Be aware: This is an external email. Dear Mr. Graf and Dr. Xie, I know this is at a very initial stage, and probably right now there are to= ns of papers within the same subject, but at the last EuCNC we presented a = poster that covers some of the answers from Dr. Xie. Specifically, the Q1/Planning and Reasoning part, where we input high-level= intents, and get an "orchestrator" agent to decompose the tasks into many = sub-tasks. We then measured how "well" the orchestrator agent could route t= he commands to the right "sub-agents" in the network. So I believe it kind = of covers item iii as well (Tool Use & Execution), although we just mocked = the tool calls (we did not implement the calls to network devices). We only= implemented raw function calls between agents (using Python), but those ca= lls can be easily implemented as MCP/JSON-RPC calls, so I believe we also p= roduced evidence that supports Q3. A long version of the document is available here: https://arxiv.org/abs/260= 4.06856 Sorry for spamming the list, and please ignore my message if this is not re= levant for the discussion, but I kind of see a strong match between this po= ster/paper and the discussed subject on this thread. Kind regards, Iulisloi ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <xiechf@chinate= lecom.cn<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Chongfeng Xie <xiechf= @chinatelecom.cn<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: 25 June 2026 03:14:50 To: Thomas.Graf; ops-area; opsawg; nmop; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]= > Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [nmrg] Re: [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: St= atus & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities Hi Thomas, Thank you for raising this topic for discussion. For the questions about AI= agents, I'd like to provide my understanding for your reference. Network = management is a specific application of AI, and the management functions ca= n be implemented across various AI agents that interact with the different = components of the network management system. Q1. Which AI agents capabilities are suitable for network management? A: AI agents have the following common capabilities, - Perception: Processes multi-modal inputs (text, images, audio) and tr= acks context and state over time. - Planning & Reasoning: Breaks high-level goals into actionable sub-tas= ks, dynamically re-plans when obstacles arise, and evaluates trade-offs bef= ore acting. - Tool Use & Execution: Autonomously calls external tools-search engine= s, APIs, calendars, code interpreters, and databases-to take real action in= the digital world (e.g., send emails, book flights, query data). - Learning & Self-Correction: Detects errors, reflects on outcomes, ite= rates on solutions, and utilizes both short-term and long-term memory to im= prove over time. All the capabilities above are useful for network management. With the unde= rground support of LLM models, the following functionalities can be realize= d by AI agents in the context of network management, - Intent-based auto-assignment: Automatically routes NOC tickets based o= n detected intent. - Intelligent root-cause analysis: Pinpoints fault origins with precisio= n. - Actionable troubleshooting guidance: Generates step-by-step plans and= recommended resolutions. - AI-driven orchestration: Enables expert-human collaboration and autom= ated execution of task reassignments/suspensions. - Continuous network optimization: Delivers ongoing tuning recommendati= ons for wireless, core, and cloud-network resources across diverse scenario= s. - Automated recovery verification: Validates fault resolution by queryi= ng network and perceptual metrics via LLM-orchestrated API calls. Q2. What is the impact of an AI network management process to YANG informat= ion, service, network and data modelling? A: AI and legcay network management models belong to different domain= s, the specific manangement modelling is aganostic to the AI network manan= gent process. In other words, AI system can process any YANG information, s= ervice, network and data modelling. Q3. Is MCP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol) a suitab= le protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sources and = system components? A: Yes, as an open standard that connects AI models to external data = and tools, MCP enables AI assistants to securely read files, query database= s, and execute actions across different applications. The likelihood of MC= P being used between between AI agents and IETF network management data sou= rces and system components is very high. In addition, other approaches can be used, such as APIs exposed by network = controller, in this case, AI agents can call the APIs directly for network = device configuration or data collection. Q4, How does an AI agent interact with Network Digital Twin, Intent-Based N= etworking, SIMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers? A: It depends on the specific situation, there should be no one-size-fi= ts-all solution. The above feedbacks are based on our current practice. As AI for network i= s still in its early stages, our understanding may not be entirely accurate= . We welcome any differing opinions. Best regards Chongfeng From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: 2026-06-21 16:43 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:ops= [email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:nm= [email protected]> CC: mohamed..boucadair<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Expl= oring Collaboration Opportunities Dear NMRG, NMOP, OPSAWG and OPSAREA, First of all many thanks to Brad, Dan, Christopher, Alex, Qin and Bernard o= n their feedback. That's a great start. I have been following this thread closely https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch= /msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/ to understand wherever research and = industry adoption comes closer together, wherever there is interest for hav= ing a joint discussion and on what particular topic. What I observed so far is that we all share that AI in general and also AIO= ps research and adoption rate has dramatically increased. So far everybody = was very supportive on having a joint discussion. I would be interested to = have more feedback, especially also from those who think that it would not = bring much benefit with reasons why. >From what I observed, having an initial discussion on the following existin= g working group document topics and how they intersect * Network Digital Twin (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-= irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch<https://datatracker..ietf.org/doc/html/= draft-irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch>) * Intent-Based Networking (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dra= ft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases) * SIMAP (https://datatracker.ietf..org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-sima= p-concept<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-conce= pt>) * YANG-Push to Message Broker integration (https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration) and then having a discussions on the following raised questions perhaps: * Which AI agents capabilities are suitable for network management? * What is the impact of an AI network management process to YANG inf= ormation, service, network and data modelling? * Is MCP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol) a su= itable protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sources = and system components? * How does an AI agent interact with Network Digital Twin, Intent-Ba= sed Networking, SIMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers? and move from there into some proposed work addressing these areas. And las= t but not least maybe wrapping up around running code. How experiments coul= d facilitate and exchange between both working groups. Alex brought up that= ANRW is once a year and perhaps on one or two other occasion the two worki= ng group could continuously actively exchange every year could be an intere= sting proposal. * Would that be a potential interesting agenda for everybody? * Did I miss anything or shall we focus more on a particular item? * Any particular discussion structure you would fancy? I also observed that authors authoring Knowledge Graph documents have voice= d wherever Knowledge Graph could be a topic of interest. I would love to se= e more discussions from other areas on this in particular how this intersec= ts with AIOps and AI assisted network management topics. I saw also that on= tologies have been mentioned, which I personally besides semantics believe = plays an important role with interacting with AI agents. As I am human, and not an AI agent, the observations and suggestions might = be unintentionally bias. So please feedback and comment. Best wishes Thomas From: Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E Sent: Monday, June 1, 2026 7:16 AM To: Nmop <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:nmrg@i= rtf.org> Cc: Mohamed Boucadair <[email protected]<mailto:mohamed.boucadai= [email protected]>>; nmrg-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]= rg>>; Nmop-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: FW: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring C= ollaboration Opportunities Dear NMRG and NMOP, Med approached me wherever I am willing to facilitate with the support of b= oth working group chairs a discussion between NMRG and NMOP on common inter= ests. Looking at the list of current adopted documents https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nmrg/documents/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/documents/ but also looking at AIOps related proposals https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/= misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ietf125.md, and the related past side meeting= s in the network management domain, I see that the lifecycle on research an= d industry adoption of model and data driven network management becomes acc= elerated and therefore research and industry adoption comes more and more c= loser together. Looking at the bluesheets of IETF 125, I see that we had 10= 7 participants for NMRG and 115 for NMOP and 36 participants were attending= both NMRG and NMOP. Or in other words, I personally believe that both working groups have a lot= in common but also a also few things which makes them very unique and inte= resting to facilitate such a discussion. I might be wrong and therefore would like to get some feedback from both ma= iling lists first: * Would you agree that the lifecycle on research and industry adopti= on of model and data driven network management becomes accelerated and ther= efore research and industry adoption comes more and more closer together? * Is there an interest at the NMRG and NMOP communities to have an e= xchange on currently adopted and future proposed work to identify synergies= and common interests in both working groups and discuss how they could be = addressed better? * Do you have a particular topic, set of documents or interest alrea= dy in mind? Best wishes Thomas From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <m= [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2026 10:21 AM To: Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <[email protected]<mailto:Thoma= [email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; N= mop-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: ops-ads <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Dirk KUTSCHER <iet= [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Colla= boration Opportunities Be aware: This is an external email. Hi all, I had several discussions recently with many IETF participants about the re= lationship between some work done in the IRTF and IETF. Specifically, I hea= rd several questions about the current mode of operation between NMRG and O= PS and whether/how activity transfer is happening between the two communiti= es. I do see a value in bringing some of these items from hallway discussio= n to our formal meetings :-) This can be the opportunity to explore between collaboration between the co= mmunities, and not rely only on the leadership level. See, for example, the= following excerpt form the NMRG Charter: "The IETF Operations and Management Area Directors are members of the NM= RG mailing list and invited to NMRG meetings in order to ensure free flow o= f information in both directions, and to avoid duplication of work with th= e various IETF working groups.." There are several WG/RG pairs that may be considered for collaboration (NMR= G/NMOP, MAPRG/IPPM, etc.) but I think that it would be better to scope the = discussion to a specific area. I suggest to focus this time on NMRG/NMOP. Thomas kindly accepted to drive a discussion on this topic in the IETF#126 = OPSAREA Session with some proposals to bridge both communities. Thomas is a= lso willing to collect feedback and coordinate between the NMRG/NMOP Chairs= , in particular. @NMOP/@NMRG Chairs: Would you be interested/willing to work with Thomas to = consolidate some discussion material? Thoughts and suggestions are welcome. Thank you. Cheers, Med ___________________________________________________________________________= _________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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mso-level-tab-stop:4.5in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Symbol;} ol {margin-bottom:0in;} ul {margin-bottom:0in;} --></style> </head> <body lang=3D"DE-CH" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:brea= k-word"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",san= s-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-= serif;color:black">Iulisloi,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Many thanks for sharing </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-= serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://arxiv.org/pdf/2604.06856"><span lang= =3D"EN-US">https://arxiv.org/pdf/2604.06856</span></a></span><span lang=3D"= EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;= color:#0E2841">. I understood that you make use of SAIN defined in RFC 9417/9418.<o:p></o:p= ></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841">As mentioned in </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tah= oma",sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/a= rch/msg/nmop/3h0U0xoAAW6mDQjNrJjgUvC99hs/">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arc= h/msg/nmop/3h0U0xoAAW6mDQjNrJjgUvC99hs/</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl= e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0E28= 41">, my biased view is that message broker message keying and topic addressing = schemes with topic compaction described in <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-messa= ge-broker-message-key"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-m= essage-key</a> could help to facilitate to make the current network state e= asily discoverable and accessible to AI agents. Where YANG schema and seman= tics helping in RAGs to make LLM's understand the meaning of the network data and streaming catalogs helping = AI agents to discover interested YANG data and their relationships.<o:p></o= :p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841">I believe that the same mechanisms can be a= pplied to other data than YANG itself. Such as BMP. Where we propose with B= MP to YANG transformation described in <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-netana-nmop-message-= broker-bmp-telemetry-msg"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-netana-nmop-message-broker-bmp-= telemetry-msg</a> a semantic rich data model by reusing ietf-bgp YANG model= defined at IDR and augmenting BMP related meta data. We envision the same = also for IPFIX, which then comes in full circle by covering all 3 network planes.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841">What are your thoughts and comments when re= ading this? Does that make sense in context what you are describing in your= research paper?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Perhaps going 2 steps further. Taking <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ivy-network-inv= entory-yang"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ivy-network-inventory-yang= </a> related work, the inventory states into context. But also taking analy= tical data from Network Anomaly Detection related documents (<a href=3D"htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network-anomaly-architec= ture">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network-anomaly= -architecture</a>, <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network-an= omaly-semantics"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network-anomaly-seman= tics</a>, <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network-an= omaly-lifecycle"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network-anomaly-lifec= ycle</a>), which have some commonalities with intend based SAIN and "p= lug" AI agents into the anomaly lifecycle optimization process <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network-an= omaly-lifecycle#section-5"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-network-anomaly-lifec= ycle#section-5</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Does that make sense from your perspective?= <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Thomas </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"= ,sans-serif;color:gray"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>= </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> = Zacarias, Iulisloi <[email protected]> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 25, 2026 11:01 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Chongfeng Xie <[email protected]>; Graf Thomas, SCS-I= NI-NET-VNC-E2E <[email protected]>; ops-area <ops-area@ietf= .org>; opsawg <[email protected]>; nmop <[email protected]>; nmrg@= irtf.org<br> <b>Cc:</b> [email protected]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [nmrg] Re: [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS T= ransfer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities<o:p></o:p></spa= n></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding= =3D"0" align=3D"left" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"background:#CF4A0C;padding:5.0pt 2.0pt 5.0pt 2.0pt"></td> <td width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%;background:#FFF8E5;padding:5.0pt 4= .0pt 5.0pt 12.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:= 2.25pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-el= ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft YaHei UI&quo= t;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Be aware:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:1= 0.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:#222222">= This is an external email.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper"> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black">Dear Mr. Graf and Dr. Xie,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black">I know this is at a very initial stage, and probably right n= ow there are tons of papers within the same subject, but at the last EuCNC = we presented a poster that covers some of the answers from Dr. Xie.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black">Specifically, the Q1/Planning and Reasoning part, where we i= nput high-level intents, and get an "orchestrator" agent to decom= pose the tasks into many sub-tasks. We then measured how "well" the orchestrator agent could route the commands to the ri= ght "sub-agents" in the network. So I believe it kind of covers i= tem iii as well (Tool Use & Execution), although we just mocked th= e tool calls (we did not implement the calls to network devices). We only implemented raw function calls between agents (using Python), but = those calls can be easily implemented as MCP/JSON-RPC calls, so I believe w= e also produced evidence that supports Q3. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black">A long version of the document is available here: <a hr= ef=3D"https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.06856">https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.06856</a= ><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black">Sorry for spamming the list, and please ignore my message if= this is not relevant for the discussion, but I kind of see a strong match = between this poster/paper and the discussed subject on this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black">Iulisloi<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-seri= f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><span= style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft YaHei UI",sans-= serif;color:black"> <hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center"> </span></div> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= ;Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-= size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> <<a= href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> on b= ehalf of Chongfeng Xie <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">xiechf= @chinatelecom.cn</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> 25 June 2026 03:14:50<br> <b>To:</b> Thomas.Graf; ops-area; opsawg; nmop; <a href=3D"mailto:nmrg@irtf= .org">[email protected]</a><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mohamed.boucadai= [email protected]</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [nmrg] Re: [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Trans= fer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</span><span style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;= color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Thomas,<o:p></o:p></span>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you for raising this t= opic for discussion. For the questions about AI agents, I'd like to provide= my understanding for your reference. Network management is a specific application of AI, and the management functions c= an be implemented across various AI agents that interact with the different= components of the network management system. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">Q1. Which AI agents capabili= ties are suitable for network management? <o:p></o:p></span></p= > </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> A: = AI agents have the following common capabilities, <o:p></o:p></span></= p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Perception: = Processes multi-modal inputs (text, images, audio) and tracks context and s= tate over time.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Planning &am= p; Reasoning: Breaks high-level goals into actionable sub-tasks, dynamicall= y re-plans when obstacles arise, and evaluates trade-offs before acting.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Tool Use &am= p; Execution: Autonomously calls external tools—search engines, APIs,= calendars, code interpreters, and databases—to take real action in the digital world (e.g., send emails, book flights, query data).<o:p></o:p= ></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Learning &am= p; Self-Correction: Detects errors, reflects on outcomes, iterates on solut= ions, and utilizes both short-term and long-term memory to improve over time.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">All the capabilities above a= re useful for network management. With the underground support of LLM model= s, the following functionalities can be realized by AI agents in the context of network management,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> <o= :p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Intent-based = auto-assignment: Automatically routes NOC tickets based on detected intent.= <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Intelligent r= oot-cause analysis: Pinpoints fault origins with precision.<o:p></o:p></spa= n></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Actionable tr= oubleshooting guidance: Generates step-by-step plans and recommended = resolutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - AI-driven orc= hestration: Enables expert-human collaboration and automated executio= n of task reassignments/suspensions.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Continuous ne= twork optimization: Delivers ongoing tuning recommendations for wirel= ess, core, and cloud-network resources across diverse scenarios.<o:p></o:p>= </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> - Automated rec= overy verification: Validates fault resolution by querying network an= d perceptual metrics via LLM-orchestrated API calls.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:= p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">Q2. What is the impact of an= AI network management process to YANG information, service, network and da= ta modelling?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> A:  = ;AI and legcay network management models belong to different domains, = the specific manangement modelling is aganostic to the AI network manangen= t process. In other words, AI system can process any YANG information, servi= ce, network and data modelling. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">Q3. Is MCP (<a href=3D= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol">https://en.wikipedia= .org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol</a>) a suitable protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sources and system comp= onents?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> A: = Yes, as an open standard that connects AI models to external data and tool= s, MCP enables AI assistants to securely read files, query databases, and execute actions across different applications. The likelihood of= MCP being used between between AI agents and IETF network management data = sources and system components is very high. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">In addition, other approache= s can be used, such as APIs exposed by network controller, in this case, AI= agents can call the APIs directly for network device configuration or data collection. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">Q4, How does an AI agent int= eract with Network Digital Twin, Intent-Based Networking, SIMAP, Knowledge = Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"> A: It dep= ends on the specific situation, there should be no one-size-fits-all soluti= on.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">The above feedbacks are base= d on our current practice. As AI for network is still in its early st= ages, our understanding may not be entirely accurate. We welcome any differing opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">Best regards<o:p></o:p></spa= n></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black">Chongfeng<o:p></o:p></span><= /p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Mi= crosoft YaHei UI",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-left:6.0pt;margin-right:inherit"> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#EFEFEF"><b><span style=3D"font-= size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</sp= an></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-s= erif;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span s= tyle=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]</span></a><o:p></o:p></span= ></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#EFEFEF"><b><span style=3D"font-= size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Date:</sp= an></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-s= erif;color:black"> 2026-06-21 16:43<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#EFEFEF"><b><span style=3D"font-= size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">To:</span= ></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-ser= if;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"c= olor:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">opsawg@iet= f.org</span></a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]= g</span></a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]= g</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#EFEFEF"><b><span style=3D"font-= size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">CC:</span= ></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-ser= if;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span= style=3D"color:#467886">mohamed..boucadair</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p= > </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#EFEFEF"><b><span style=3D"font-= size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:<= /span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",san= s-serif;color:black"> [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities<o:p></o:p= ></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Dear NMRG, NMOP, = OPSAWG and OPSAREA,</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p= ></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">First of all many= thanks to Brad, Dan, Christopher, Alex, Qin and Bernard on their feedback.= That’s a great start. </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">I have been follo= wing this thread closely <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWm= PP4oMg/"> <span style=3D"color:#467886">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gT= PL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/</span></a> to understand wherever research and i= ndustry adoption comes closer together, wherever there is interest for havi= ng a joint discussion and on what particular topic.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p>= </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">What I observed s= o far is that we all share that AI in general and also AIOps research and a= doption rate has dramatically increased. So far everybody was very supportive on having a joint discussion. I would be int= erested to have more feedback, especially also from those who think that it= would not bring much benefit with reasons why.</span><span style=3D"font-s= ize:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">From what I obser= ved, having an initial discussion on the following existing working group d= ocument topics and how they intersect</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt= ;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 leve= l1 lfo1"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Network D= igital Twin (<a href=3D"https://datatracker..ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-n= mrg-network-digital-twin-arch"><span style=3D"color:#467886">https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch</span></a= >)</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span><= /p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 leve= l1 lfo1"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Intent-Ba= sed Networking (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf= -nmrg-ibn-usecases"><span style=3D"color:#467886">https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases</span></a>)</span><span style=3D"= font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 leve= l1 lfo1"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;= font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">SIMAP (</spa= n><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuche= t MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-concept"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:= #467886">https://datatracker.ietf..org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-conce= pt</span></a></span><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family= :"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">)</span><span style=3D"= font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 leve= l1 lfo1"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">YANG-Push= to Message Broker integration (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration"><span style=3D"color= :#467886">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-messag= e-broker-integration</span></a>)</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;colo= r:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">and then having a= discussions on the following raised questions perhaps:</span><span style= =3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 leve= l1 lfo2"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Which AI = agents capabilities are suitable for network management?</span><span style= =3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 leve= l1 lfo2"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">What is t= he impact of an AI network management process to YANG information, service,= network and data modelling?</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0= E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 leve= l1 lfo2"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Is MCP (<= a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol"><span style= =3D"color:#467886">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol</sp= an></a>) a suitable protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sou= rces and system components?</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E= 2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 leve= l1 lfo2"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">How does = an AI agent interact with Network Digital Twin, Intent-Based Networking, SI= MAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers?</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p><= /span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">and move from the= re into some proposed work addressing these areas. And last but not least m= aybe wrapping up around running code. How experiments could facilitate and exchange between both working groups. Alex brought up= that ANRW is once a year and perhaps on one or two other occasion the two = working group could continuously actively exchange every year could be an i= nteresting proposal.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:= p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 leve= l1 lfo3"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Would tha= t be a potential interesting agenda for everybody?</span><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 leve= l1 lfo3"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Did I mis= s anything or shall we focus more on a particular item?</span><span style= =3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 leve= l1 lfo3"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Any parti= cular discussion structure you would fancy?</span><span style=3D"font-size:= 11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">I also observed t= hat authors authoring Knowledge Graph documents have voiced wherever Knowle= dge Graph could be a topic of interest. I would love to see more discussions from other areas on this in particular how th= is intersects with AIOps and AI assisted network management topics. I saw a= lso that ontologies have been mentioned, which I personally besides semanti= cs believe plays an important role with interacting with AI agents.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;col= or:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">As I am human, an= d not an AI agent, the observations and suggestions might be unintentionall= y bias. So please feedback and comment.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0= pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Best wishes</span= ><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Thomas</span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span= lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",s= ans-serif;color:black"> Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 1, 2026 7:16 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Nmop <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#= 467886">[email protected]</span></a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]= g</span></a><br> <b>Cc:</b> Mohamed Boucadair <<a href=3D"mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange= .com"><span style=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>= >; nmrg-chairs <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style= =3D"color:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>>; Nmop-chairs <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"col= or:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> FW: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & = Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt= ;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <= o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Dear NMRG and NMOP,</span><span = style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><span style=3D"font= -size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Med approached me= wherever I am willing to facilitate with the support of both working group= chairs a discussion between NMRG and NMOP on common interests.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p><= /span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Looking at the li= st of current adopted documents</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color= :black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><a href=3D"https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/group/nmrg/documents/"><span style=3D"color:#467886"= >https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nmrg/documents/</span></a></span><span = style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><a href=3D"https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/documents/"><span style=3D"color:#467886">ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/documents/</span></a></span><span style= =3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">but also looking = at AIOps related proposals <a href=3D"https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-iet= f125.md"> <span style=3D"color:#467886">https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main= /ai-submissions-ietf125.md</span></a>, and the related past side meetings i= n the network management domain, I see that the lifecycle on research and i= ndustry adoption of model and data driven network management becomes accelerated and therefore research and i= ndustry adoption comes more and more closer together. Looking at the bluesh= eets of IETF 125, I see that we had 107 participants for NMRG and 115 for N= MOP and 36 participants were attending both NMRG and NMOP.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:= p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Or in other words= , I personally believe that both working groups have a lot in common but al= so a also few things which makes them very unique and interesting to facilitate such a discussion.</span><span style=3D"font= -size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">I might be wrong = and therefore would like to get some feedback from both mailing lists first= :</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 leve= l1 lfo4"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Would you= agree that the lifecycle on research and industry adoption of model and da= ta driven network management becomes accelerated and therefore research and industry adoption comes more and more closer to= gether?</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></s= pan></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 leve= l1 lfo5"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Is there = an interest at the NMRG and NMOP communities to have an exchange on current= ly adopted and future proposed work to identify synergies and common interests in both working groups and discuss how they= could be addressed better?</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E= 2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:= 0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 leve= l1 lfo6"> <![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;col= or:#0E2841"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">·<span style=3D"font:7.0= pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Do you ha= ve a particular topic, set of documents or interest already in mind?</span>= <span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E2841"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Best wishes</span= ><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Thomas</span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span= lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",s= ans-serif;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#46788= 6">[email protected]</span></a> <<a href=3D"mailto:mohamed.b= [email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">mohamed.boucadair@orange= .com</span></a>> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 4, 2026 10:21 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <<a href=3D"mailto:Thomas.Gr= [email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]</sp= an></a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">nmrg-= [email protected]</span></a>; Nmop-chairs <<a href=3D"mailto:nmop-chairs@i= etf.org"><span style=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>><= br> <b>Cc:</b> ops-ads <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"c= olor:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>>; Dirk KUTSCHER <<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]= t</span></a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Expl= oring Collaboration Opportunities</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;col= or:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color= :black"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:= p></span></p> <table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding= =3D"0" align=3D"left" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"background:#CF4A0C;padding:5.0pt 2.0pt 5.0pt 2.0pt"></td> <td width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%;background:#FFF8E5;padding:5.0pt 4= .0pt 5.0pt 12.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:= 2.25pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-el= ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> <b><span style=3D"color:#222222">Be aware:</span></b><span style=3D"color:#= 222222"> This is an external email.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;c= olor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"color:black"> </span= ><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam= ily:"Courier New";color:black">Hi all, </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam= ily:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><span style=3D"font-s= ize:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black">I had several discussions recen= tly with many IETF participants about the relationship between some work do= ne in the IRTF and IETF. Specifically, I heard several questions about the current mode of operation between NMRG and OPS and whe= ther/how activity transfer is happening between the two communities. I do s= ee a value in bringing some of these items from hallway discussion to our f= ormal meetings :-)</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p>= </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black">This can be the opportunity to = explore between collaboration between the communities, and not rely only on= the leadership level. See, for example, the following excerpt form the NMRG Charter:</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color= :black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black"> “The IETF Op= erations and Management Area Directors are members of the NMRG<br> mailing list and invited to NMRG meetings in order to ensure f= ree flow of<br> information in both directions, and to avoid duplication of wo= rk with the<br> various IETF working groups..”</span><span style=3D"font= -size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black">There are several WG/RG pairs t= hat may be considered for collaboration (NMRG/NMOP, MAPRG/IPPM, etc.) but I= think that it would be better to scope the discussion to a specific area. I suggest to focus this time on NMRG/NMOP.</span><span= style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black">Thomas kindly accepted to drive= a discussion on this topic in the IETF#126 OPSAREA Session with some propo= sals to bridge both communities. Thomas is also willing to collect feedback and coordinate between the NMRG/NMOP Chairs, i= n particular.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p= ></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black">@NMOP/@NMRG Chairs: Would you b= e interested/willing to work with Thomas to consolidate some discussion mat= erial? Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.</span><span style=3D"font-size= :11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black">Thank you.</span><span style=3D= "font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black">Cheers,</span><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-= family:"Courier New";color:black">Med</span><span style=3D"font-s= ize:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"color:black">______________________________= ___________________________________________________________________________= ___</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"color:black">Ce message et ses pieces joint= es peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne = doivent donc</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"color:black">pas etre diffuses, exploites o= u copies sans autorisation. 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