Re: RE: AD request / L2 Triggers Charter Statement

Hello,
  Alper: thanks for your drafts. Please note that our
BOF application has not yet been accepted.
Maybe I should write lots of drafts and submit to PANA
(just a joke).
  Spencer: if you do not mind keeping L2 Trigger
discussions on pilc mailing list then we should
continue using pilc. If there is a problem, then maybe
we can host a new mailing list.
  Phil: your idea is unique and it may be worthwhile
considering but only with a draft.
  Regards,

--behcet
--- "Alper E. YEGIN" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> 
> > Something else.  The BOF is taking a different
> track.
> 
> You mean "defining an internal interface between IP
> and link-layers?".
> This is clearly different than what I had in my mind
> when proposing
> this bof. I see benefits of defining such an
> interface, but I think more
> immediate problem that needs to be tackled in IETF
> is a transport
> protocol for carrying L2 triggers. This is essential
> in bridged networks.
> A simple client-server protocol to convey L2 events
> from bridges
> to hosts is needed. I'm currently working on a draft
> defining such a
> protocol. I should be able to publish it in a week.
> And I think that
> would be a candidate for standards-track.
> 
> > Please read the archives on pilc regarding BOF.
> 
> alper
> 
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Kempf" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Phil Neumiller"
> <[email protected]>; "Vernon Schryver"
> <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
> > <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 1:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pilc] RE: AD request / L2 Triggers
> Chapter Statement
> >
> >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > *What*, precisely, do you propose be standards
> track? The current draft
> > > defining abstract L2 triggers or something else?
> > >
> > > I do think Vern and James have a point about the
> necessity of standards
> > > specifying something on the wire that can be
> verified for conformance.
> > >
> > >             jak
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Phil Neumiller"
> <[email protected]>
> > > To: "James Kempf" <[email protected]>;
> "Vernon Schryver"
> > > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [pilc] RE: AD request / L2 Triggers
> Chapter Statement
> > >
> > >
> > > > I absolutely disagree.  IP will have to change
> for modern wireless
> > > devices.  Those who say
> > > > it won't have their head in the sand.  James
> we are not taking the
> > > PILC approach of creating
> > > > a recommendation for L2 providers.  We are a
> bunch of L2 providers
> > > telling IP what it
> > > > needs to do!!! Absolutely has to be standards
> track.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "James Kempf" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: "Vernon Schryver"
> <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
> > > <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [pilc] RE: AD request / L2
> Triggers Chapter Statement
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Vern
> > > > >
> > > > > > Again, the reasons I trust there is no
> hope of a standards track
> > > L2
> > > > > > Triggers RFC do not apply to an
> Information RFC.  As has been said
> > > > > > repeatedly, an Informational RFC on L2
> triggers could be valuable.
> > > > > > Why are you so set the standards track?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think anybody is set on standards
> track at this point. The
> > > > > reason for doing this as a WG rather than an
> individual effort is to
> > > get
> > > > > IETF concensus on it, so that it would
> represent the best thinking
> > > of
> > > > > the IETF to other standardization groups,
> like IEEE, on what's
> > > needed
> > > > > for a high performance wireless Layer 2 for
> IP.
> > > > >
> > > > >             jak
> > > >


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