RE: comment on draft-arberg-pppoe-mtu-gt1492-02.txt

Paul Jakma <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.pppext
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Peter Arberg wrote:

> This was discussed initially, as it was also our first thinking, 
> but for optimization purpose it was suggested to include the max. 
> payload number as well.

I did try look over the previous discussions, I read the thread where 
it was suggested to introduce new tags, I didn't see any discussion 
of including a payload size though - never mind the rationale for 
doing so.

> The idea of the new option was to have the PPPoE client communicate 
> in the PADI and PADR the maximum MTU/MRU it can deal with. Then the 
> PPPoE server will have a good hint to immediately select a proper 
> value for the MRU to propose in its LCP config_req. This would make 
> the regular case more streamlined.

Right, I did read the RFC. ;)

It doesn't give any rationale for why it's a good idea to include a 
"Max-Payload" value in the tag though.

> It was not the intention to complicate things, simply to make the 
> negotiation more streamlined. And when the TAG had to be included, 
> it did not seem like an issue to include the max MxU number.

It's an additional piece of state for:

a) implementations to have to track and hence get wrong

b) future refinements to have to bear in mind wrt
    backward-compatibility.

Making it be just a "remove the RFC2561 limit" flag simply reduces 
things back to normal PPP, at least wrt MRU/MTU negotiation.

> The number is only to be set by the PPPoE client side, never from 
> the server (BRAS) side, the PPPoE server will echo the clients 
> value back as a okay lets do PPP MRU negotiation to settle on a 
> value.

Why can't the client just start doing MRU/MTU negotiation as part of 
PPP setup, as it will have to do anyway? Why add an additional value 
into the mix?

This Max-Payload value seems quite redundant.

regards,
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