Re: Contacts after a Domain Transfer

On 06/20/2013 12:33 PM, Klaus Malorny wrote:
> On 20/06/13 18:08, Ofer Nave wrote:
>> As an EPP noob, I'm confused by the same thing (being able to 
>> 'transfer' a
>> contact object).
>>
>> I get the point of transferring a domain name because it represents 
>> ownership,
>> like a title or deed.  It can only be 'owned' by a single registrar 
>> at a time.
>> But a contact is merely a data structure.  Shouldn't contacts and 
>> hosts just be
>> copied automatically by the gaining registrar in the case of a domain 
>> transfer?
>> What does it mean to 'transfer' a contact, as opposed to merely 
>> copying the data?
>>
>> -ofer
>>
>> On 06/20/2013 12:04 PM, Seth Goldman wrote:
>>> What do registrars typically do about contacts sponsored by a different
>>> registrar after a domain transfer? This situation seems undesirable, 
>>> as it
>>> prevents the gaining registrar from updating registrant contact 
>>> information in
>>> the future. Do registrars just make a new contact as a matter of 
>>> course? Or do
>>> they try to transfer over the existing contact? The former seems 
>>> more likely,
>>> as the latter will not work if there are other domains with 
>>> references to that
>>> contact object on the losing registrar.
>>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I guess that nearly no registry has implemented the transfers of 
> contacts. The benefit is neglectible and introduces some unwanted side 
> effects. As Seth says, especially, automatically transferring contacts 
> along with the domain is a really bad idea, as these contacts may 
> still be linked with other domains of the losing registrar.
>
> Automatic copying of contacts could be done, but this increases the 
> garbage -- without copying, a registrar can theoretically reuse an 
> existing contact for the very same person he has created earlier. Host 
> objects cannot be copied, as the host's name is the (unique) key to 
> the EPP object (contrary to the ID of the contact, which is not part 
> of the content) and therefore no two hosts with the name may exist at 
> the same time.
>
> Another registry implementation approach is to use separate object/ID 
> spaces for each registrar. A registrar cannot see/access any object of 
> another registrar at all. In this case, copying is mandatory, or a new 
> set of contacts must be already provided when the domain transfer is 
> initiated (not possible in EPP without extensions).

Thanks, that definitely helps clarify a few things that were previously 
fuzzy to me.

-ofer
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