Re: [mpls] draft-zzhang-intarea-generic-delivery-functions

Hi Rakesh, Yangfan,

I agree that a GDFH can follow the IOAM header and the two do not contend.

It came to me though, the IOAM header could become a GDFH 😊 It can then be used for all transportations (MPLS, BIER, or even ethernet).

I see that in your -06 version you treat IOAM as  a G-ACH channel. That does not seem to go well with the following in RFC 5586:

   The G-ACh MUST NOT be used to transport user traffic.

However I am not against relaxing the above restriction a bit.
But I don’t understand why you need an “IOAM Indicator Label” – there is already a special label G-ACh Label (GAL).
For GDFH, I had designed to advertise regular labels to indicate that a GDFH follows (I am always a good citizen when it comes to requesting special labels). Seeing that G-Ach uses the GAL, and the following:


   The ACH used by CC Type 1 is depicted in figure below:



    0                   1                   2                   3

    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

   |0 0 0 1|Version|   Reserved    |         Channel Type          |

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+



                    Figure 1: Associated Channel Header

If the user traffic restriction could be lifted, it’s tempting to treat GDFH as a G-Ach channel type. That way we don’t need to advertise GDFH labels.

To answer Yangfan’s question “what is the difference compared to G-AC” in another email: GDFH is for generic delivery function over different transports, and even when it is used over MPLS it is different from the (original intention of) G-ACH. However, as mentioned above, it’s tempting to treat GDFH as a channel type just to be able use the already assigned GAL.

Thanks.
Jeffrey

From: Rakesh Gandhi <[email protected]>
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To: Stewart Bryant <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [mpls] draft-zzhang-intarea-generic-delivery-functions

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Hi Stewart,
Hi Xiao, Loa,
FYI:
I believe the latest revision (06) addresses this comment. Welcome your feedback on that.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-gandhi-mpls-ioam-sr-06<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-gandhi-mpls-ioam-sr-06__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!VXglGy7lcO2Pe-wXQDgZaYzzz0Ckq57ZSdkkJ0Sz5yTrNvCrxSb9ClooNfsG5fW-$>

Thanks for your review.
Regards,
Rakesh

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:57 PM Rakesh Gandhi <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Stewart,
Thanks for your comments. If we have a mechanism like following, does that address the issue?

  1.  IOAM header is part of the MPLS encapsulation, any other control word is added after the IOAM header in the data packet.
  2.  The transit nodes can process the IOAM data field(s) after the EOS in data packets as it is proposed.
  3.  The decapsulating node removes the MPLS encapsulation including the IOAM header and then processes the other control word following it.

   0                   1                   2                   3

   0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

   | IOAM Indicator Label                  | TC  |1|  TTL          |

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<-+

   |0 0 0 1|Version| Reserved      | IOAM G-ACh                    |  |

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  |

   | Reserved      | Block Number  | IOAM-OPT-Type |IOAM HDR Length|  |

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  I

   |                                                               |  O

   |                                                               |  A

   ~                 IOAM Option and Data Space                    ~  M

   |                                                               |  |

   |                                                               |  |

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<-+

   |0 0 0 0| Rsved | This Header   | Header Length | Next Header   |

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

   ~              Variable field per “This header”                 ~

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

   |                                                               |

   |                                                               |

   ~                 Payload Packet                                ~

   |                                                               |

   |                                                               |

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Thanks,
Rakesh



On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:00 AM Stewart Bryant <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you Jeffery

Please see the note that I sent about iOAM who also want to sit after BoS … and both of you want the same space that PALS and DetNet is already using.

We plan to have a joint session on this hosted by PALS at the next IETF, but I think we also need to include the iOAM people.

This has scope to get very messy as we find new candidates for BoS metadata so we really need to take a holistic position to ensure the future health the MPLS protocol.

- Stewart


> On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:27, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just posted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-intarea-generic-delivery-functions/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-intarea-generic-delivery-functions/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!VXglGy7lcO2Pe-wXQDgZaYzzz0Ckq57ZSdkkJ0Sz5yTrNvCrxSb9ClooNQ3VcEYN$>.
>
> The initial version was posted to the tsvwg (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-tsvwg-generic-transport-functions-00<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-tsvwg-generic-transport-functions-00__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!VXglGy7lcO2Pe-wXQDgZaYzzz0Ckq57ZSdkkJ0Sz5yTrNvCrxSb9ClooNdw0REUd$>). After discussions/feedback we are re-homing it to intarea wg. This new version also contains quite some changes based on the comments and feedback that we received (special thanks to Stewart).
>
> Comments and suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
> Jeffrey
>
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