Re: STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version
"Pat Thaler" <[email protected]> Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:17:05 -0700
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--===============0315078603== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_DBFBCB90599B2C46992032279293D10010A0A1058CSJEXCHCCR01co_ --_000_DBFBCB90599B2C46992032279293D10010A0A1058CSJEXCHCCR01co_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you mean "are not based on TCP" rather than "are not based on IP"? Arkady was asking about connection setup for SCTP which the former fits but= not the latter. Regards, Pat ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Black= [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:53 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ips] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version And here's what I just did to that bullet ... (5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires a sma= ll update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connectio= n to initiate. In addition, a couple of minor changes to RDDP connection se= tup (based on implementation experience) are needed to generalize it for ef= fective use with protocols that are not based on IP. I'm about to send the result to Lars for wider review ... Thanks, --David ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bla= [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version Arkady, I'll beef up the bullet, but probably not with that degree of specifics. Thanks for pointing this out, and I apologize for the delay in responding. Thanks, --David ________________________________ From: arkady kanevsky [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:26 PM To: Black, David Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version David, The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow. (5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part of connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part of MPA spec which is primarily for TCP stream markers. This bullet should provide RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any message based protocol. How about: (5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires a sma= ll update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP Connection Setup. Make RDDP connection setup to be applicable for any message = based protocols, including but not limited to TCP with MPA markers and SC= TP. I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet. Thanks, Arkady On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <[email protected]<mailto:Black_David@em= c.com>> wrote: What I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter for the STORM WG is attached; I've done a bunch of editing and added the info about T10 and T11 doc access. This is about to go out for wider review. Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop cc:'ing other mailing lists soon. If you're interested in STORM work, please subscribe to the [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> mailing= list: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm Finally - this is a near-final reminder that the [email protected]<mailto:rddp@= ietf.org> mailing list will be closing soon - all discussion of RDDP protocols will move to the [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> mailing li= st. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Mobile: +1 (978) 394= -7754 ---------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rddp mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp -- Cheers, Arkady Kanevsky --_000_DBFBCB90599B2C46992032279293D10010A0A1058CSJEXCHCCR01co_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16825" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT face=3DA= rial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Did you mean "are not based on TCP" rather than "a= re not=20 based on IP"?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT face=3DA= rial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Arkady was asking about connection setup for SCTP = which the=20 former fits but not the latter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT face=3DA= rial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT face=3DA= rial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT face=3DA= rial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Pat</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> [email protected]=20 [mailto:[email protected]] <B>On Behalf Of=20 </B>[email protected]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 15, 2009 11:53=20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> [email protected]; [email protected]<BR><B>Cc:</= B>=20 [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</= B>=20 Re: [Ips] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009=20 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN> <P><SPAN class=3D884215218-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>And= here's=20 what I just did to that bullet ...</FONT></SPAN></P> <P>(5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires<SP= AN=20 class=3D884215218-15062009> </SPAN>a small update to MPA startup functional= ity to=20 allow either end<SPAN class=3D884215218-15062009> </SPAN>of the connection = to=20 initiate. In addition, a couple of minor<SPAN class=3D884215218-15062009>=20 </SPAN>changes to RDDP connection setup (based on implementation<SPAN=20 class=3D884215218-15062009> </SPAN>experience) are needed to generalize it = for=20 effective use with<SPAN class=3D884215218-15062009> </SPAN>protocols that a= re not=20 based on IP.</P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN class=3D884215218-15062009>I= 'm about to=20 send the result to Lars for wider review ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV><!-- Conver= ted from text/plain format --> <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR></FONT></P> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px soli= d; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> [email protected]=20 [mailto:[email protected]] <B>On Behalf Of=20 </B>[email protected]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> [email protected]<BR><B>Cc:</B> [email protected];=20 [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [rddp]= =20 STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20 size=3D2>Arkady,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2= >I'll beef=20 up the bullet, but probably not with that</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2= >degree of=20 specifics. Thanks for pointing this out,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2= >and I=20 apologize for the delay in responding.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted = from text/plain format --> <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR></FONT></P> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px so= lid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> arkady kanevsky=20 [mailto:[email protected]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 02, 2= 009=20 5:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Black, David<BR><B>Cc:</B> [email protected];=20 [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [rddp= ]=20 STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV>David,=20 <DIV>The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow.</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a small</= DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>upd= ate to=20 MPA startup functionality to allow either end</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>of = the=20 connection to initiate.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part of</DIV> <DIV>connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part of=20 MPA</DIV> <DIV>spec which is primarily for TCP stream markers. This bul= let=20 should provide</DIV> <DIV>RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any message=20 based</DIV> <DIV>protocol.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>How about:</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requi= res a=20 small</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>upd= ate to=20 MPA startup functionality to allow either end</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>of = the=20 connection to initiate. Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP Connection</DIV> <DIV> Setup. Make RDDP connection setup= to=20 be applicable for any message based</DIV> <DIV> protocols, including but not limi= ted=20 to TCP with MPA markers and SCTP.</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet.</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Arkady</DIV><BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <SPAN dir=3Dl= tr><<A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>></SPAN>= =20 wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #cc= c 1px solid">What=20 I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter<BR>for the STORM= WG=20 is attached; I've done a bunch of editing<BR>and added the info about= T10=20 and T11 doc access. This is<BR>about to go out for wider=20 review.<BR><BR>Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop=20 cc:'ing<BR>other mailing lists soon. If you're interested in=20 STORM<BR>work, please subscribe to the <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> mailing list:<BR><A= =20 href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm"=20 target=3D_blank>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm</A><BR><B= R>Finally=20 - this is a near-final reminder that the <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A><BR>mailing list will = be=20 closing soon - all discussion of RDDP<BR>protocols will move to the <= A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> mailing=20 list.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR>----------------------------------= ------------------<BR>David=20 L. Black, Distinguished Engineer<BR>EMC Corporation, 176 South St.,=20 Hopkinton, MA 01748<BR>+1 (508) 293-7953 &= nbsp;=20 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786<BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> &n= bsp;=20 Mobile: +1 (978)=20 394-7754<BR>----------------------------------------------------<BR><= BR>_______________________________________________<BR>rddp=20 mailing list<BR><A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A><BR= ><A=20 href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp"=20 target=3D_blank>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp</A><BR><BR= ></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR=20 clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>Cheers,<BR>Arkady=20 Kanevsky<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> --_000_DBFBCB90599B2C46992032279293D10010A0A1058CSJEXCHCCR01co_-- --===============0315078603== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ rddp mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp --===============0315078603==--