Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version
<[email protected]> Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:38:02 -0400
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0353100468== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9EDF9.2E0E815E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9EDF9.2E0E815E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I'll fix it. Thanks, --David =20 ________________________________ From: arkady kanevsky [mailto:[email protected]]=20 Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 4:33 PM To: Black, David Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version =09 =09 David, I was not proposing to extend it beyond IP based protocols. Specifically I am trying to ensure that new spec can support TCP/MPA and SCTP. Other protocols that are not IP based or not even Ethernet based, in my view, are outside the scope of IETF. =20 In essense, it is RDMA connection setup on top of message based protocol. So It be done on top of TCP/MPA, or SCTP or maybe some other message based protocols that use IP. Thanks, Arkady =09 =09 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: =09 Arkady, =20 I'll beef up the bullet, but probably not with that degree of specifics. Thanks for pointing this out, and I apologize for the delay in responding. Thanks, --David =09 =20 ________________________________ From: arkady kanevsky [mailto:[email protected]]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:26 PM To: Black, David Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version =09 =09 David,=20 The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow. (5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part of connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part of MPA spec which is primarily for TCP stream markers. This bullet should provide RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any message based protocol. How about: (5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP Connection Setup. Make RDDP connection setup to be applicable for any message based protocols, including but not limited to TCP with MPA markers and SCTP. I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet. Thanks, Arkady On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: =09 What I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter for the STORM WG is attached; I've done a bunch of editing and added the info about T10 and T11 doc access. This is about to go out for wider review. =09 Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop cc:'ing other mailing lists soon. If you're interested in STORM work, please subscribe to the [email protected] mailing list: =09 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm =09 Finally - this is a near-final reminder that the [email protected] mailing list will be closing soon - all discussion of RDDP protocols will move to the [email protected] mailing list. =09 Thanks, --David =09 ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 [email protected] Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 =09 ---------------------------------------------------- =09 =09 _______________________________________________ rddp mailing list [email protected] =09 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp =09 =09 --=20 Cheers, Arkady Kanevsky =09 --=20 Cheers, Arkady Kanevsky =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9EDF9.2E0E815E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3527" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D836403720-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D2>Ok, I'll fix=20 it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format --> <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR></FONT></P> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> arkady kanevsky=20 [mailto:[email protected]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 15, = 2009 4:33=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Black, David<BR><B>Cc:</B> [email protected]; = [email protected];=20 [email protected]; [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [rddp] STORM = proposed=20 charter - 31 May 2009 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>David,</DIV> <DIV>I was not proposing to extend it beyond IP based protocols.</DIV> <DIV>Specifically I am trying to ensure that new spec can = support</DIV> <DIV>TCP/MPA and SCTP. Other protocols that are not IP based</DIV> <DIV>or not even Ethernet based, in my view, are outside the scope of=20 IETF.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In essense, it is RDMA connection setup on top of message</DIV> <DIV>based protocol. So It be done on top of TCP/MPA, or SCTP or</DIV> <DIV>maybe some other message based protocols that use IP.</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Arkady<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, <SPAN = dir=3Dltr><<A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>></SPAN> = wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: = #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV> <DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D2>Arkady,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>I'll beef up the = bullet, but=20 probably not with that</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>degree of = specifics. Thanks=20 for pointing this out,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>and I apologize for = the delay in=20 responding.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR></FONT></P> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> arkady kanevsky = [mailto:<A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=20 target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> = Tuesday,=20 June 02, 2009 5:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Black, David<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A>; = <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A>; = <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A>; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=20 target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [rddp] = STORM=20 proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=3Dh5> <DIV></DIV>David,=20 <DIV>The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow.</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a=20 small</DIV> <DIV><SPAN style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>update to MPA startup = functionality to allow either end</DIV> <DIV><SPAN style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>of the connection to=20 initiate.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part = of</DIV> <DIV>connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part = of=20 MPA</DIV> <DIV>spec which is primarily for TCP stream markers. = This bullet=20 should provide</DIV> <DIV>RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any = message=20 based</DIV> <DIV>protocol.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>How about:</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications = requires=20 a small</DIV> <DIV><SPAN style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>update to MPA startup = functionality to allow either end</DIV> <DIV><SPAN style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>of the connection to = initiate.=20 Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP Connection</DIV> <DIV> Setup. Make RDDP connection = setup to=20 be applicable for any message based</DIV> <DIV> protocols, including but not = limited=20 to TCP with MPA markers and SCTP.</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet.</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Arkady</DIV><BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <SPAN=20 dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=20 target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; = BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">What=20 I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter<BR>for the = STORM WG=20 is attached; I've done a bunch of editing<BR>and added the info = about=20 T10 and T11 doc access. This is<BR>about to go out for = wider=20 review.<BR><BR>Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop=20 cc:'ing<BR>other mailing lists soon. If you're interested = in=20 STORM<BR>work, please subscribe to the <A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=20 target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A> mailing list:<BR><A=20 href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm"=20 = target=3D_blank>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm</A><BR><BR>Fi= nally=20 - this is a near-final reminder that the <A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=20 target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A><BR>mailing list will be = closing soon -=20 all discussion of RDDP<BR>protocols will move to the <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A> mailing=20 = list.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR>--------------------------------------= --------------<BR>David=20 L. Black, Distinguished Engineer<BR>EMC Corporation, 176 South = St.,=20 Hopkinton, MA 01748<BR>+1 (508) 293-7953 = =20 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786<BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A>=20 Mobile: +1 (978)=20 = 394-7754<BR>----------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>_= ______________________________________________<BR>rddp=20 mailing list<BR><A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=20 target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A><BR><A=20 href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp"=20 = target=3D_blank>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp</A><BR><BR></B= LOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR=20 clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>Cheers,<BR>Arkady=20 = Kanevsky<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><= BR=20 clear=3Dall> <DIV></DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cheers,<BR>Arkady = Kanevsky<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9EDF9.2E0E815E-- --===============0353100468== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============0353100468==--