Re: ASAP Handle Resolution Option

xing zhou <[email protected]> Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:36:43 +0800
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On Freitag 21 November 2008=2C Dirk Hoffstadt wrote:
> Thomas Dreibholz schrieb:
> > On Donnerstag 20 November 2008=2C Michael T=FCxen wrote:
> >> Hi Thomas=2C
> >>
> >> I do understand that the ID is simple=2C but I'm not sure if this
> >> is really necessary to have for the things that are done *NOW*
> >> using RSerPool.
> >
> > Dear Michael=2C
> >
> > it is indeed already needed for deployments *NOW*.
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Yes=2C there is deployment beginning in China. Therefore=2C this option is =
needed *now* to avoid incompatibilities.
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> Yes=2C there are already deployments now. It is not useful to wait until
> incompatible implementations are widely deployed. Then=2C it will already
> be too late.
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> >> If you think you need this=2C you can integrate this in your
> >> implementation and choose the higher bits such that you can
> >> at least interoperate with implementation not supporting your
> >> extension.
> >
> > This is not a good idea=2C it will only create unnecessary interoperabi=
lity
> > issues. I think now is the time to define this option=2C before other
> > people discover the same efficiency problem and implement it in a
> > different way. A scenario in which multiple ENRP servers first have to
> > figure out the capabilities and incompatibilities of their peers should
> > be avoided. This makes everything very complicated.
> >
> >> So I support Magnus position to close the WG.
> >
> > May be this draft could simply be processed as individual submission.
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> This is a good idea.
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> The draft is already complete=2C so I do not see a use in re-submitting i=
t
> as WG document. Instead=2C it can be moved forward as Individual Submissi=
on.
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Sounds good to me.
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King regards

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<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>On Freitag 21 November 2008=2C=
 Dirk Hoffstadt wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B Thomas Dreibholz schrie=
b:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B On Donnerstag 20=
 November 2008=2C Michael T=FCxen wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B Hi Thomas=
=2C</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B</FONT></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B I do under=
stand that the ID is simple=2C but I'm not sure if this</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B is really =
necessary to have for the things that are done *NOW*</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B using RSer=
Pool.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B</FONT></SPAN></P=
>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B Dear Michael=2C<=
/FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B</FONT></SPAN></P=
>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B it is indeed alr=
eady needed for deployments *NOW*.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:off=
ice" /><o:p><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&nbsp=3B</FONT></o:p=
></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>Yes=2C there is deployment beg=
inning in China. Therefore=2C this option is needed *now* to avoid incompat=
ibilities.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><o:p><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&nbsp=3B</FONT></o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><o:p><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&nbsp=3B</FONT></o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B Yes=2C there are alread=
y deployments now. It is not useful to wait until</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B incompatible implementa=
tions are widely deployed. Then=2C it will already</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B be too late.</FONT></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt=3B<o:p>&nbsp=3B</o:p=
></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B If you thi=
nk you need this=2C you can integrate this in your</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B implementa=
tion and choose the higher bits such that you can</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B at least i=
nteroperate with implementation not supporting your</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B extension.=
</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B</FONT></SPAN></P=
>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B This is not a go=
od idea=2C it will only create unnecessary interoperability</FONT></SPAN></=
P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B issues. I think =
now is the time to define this option=2C before other</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B people discover =
the same efficiency problem and implement it in a</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B different way. A=
 scenario in which multiple ENRP servers first have to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B figure out the c=
apabilities and incompatibilities of their peers should</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B be avoided. This=
 makes everything very complicated.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B</FONT></SPAN></P=
>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B So I suppo=
rt Magnus position to close the WG.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B</FONT></SPAN></P=
>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B &gt=3B May be this draf=
t could simply be processed as individual submission.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt=3B<o:p>&nbsp=3B</o:p=
></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B This is a good idea.</F=
ONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt=3B<o:p>&nbsp=3B</o:p=
></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B The draft is already co=
mplete=2C so I do not see a use in re-submitting it</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&gt=3B as WG document. Instead=
=2C it can be moved forward as Individual Submission.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><o:p><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&nbsp=3B</FONT></o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>Sounds good to me.</FONT></SPA=
N></P>
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E><o:p><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&nbsp=3B</FONT></o:p></SP=
AN></P>
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E><o:p><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>&nbsp=3B</FONT></o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DVorformatierterText style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DD=
E><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>King regards</FONT></SPAN></P>

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Xing zhou<BR>
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