RE: How to verify?

Erik:
 
I am glad to hear it works.  
 
Are you running the version 1.9 SFL?  There was a problem with the OPTIONAL
ESSPrivacyMark on the previous release.  It should be fixed when you
upgrade.
 
Bob Colestock
VDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Rissanen [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:47 AM
To: 'Colestock, Robert'; Erik Rissanen
Cc: Pawling, John; '[email protected]'
Subject: SV: How to verify?



Hi. 

I have figured out what was wrong. 

The reason why Verify() would not use the NULL login was that PreProc() does
not mark it as applicable. I did that myself, and verify now uses the login.

The crash in the CSM_Buffer destructor was because I did not place a privacy
mark in the security label when I generated the message. The RFCs describe
the privacy mark as optional, and I didn't need it, so I just placed a NULL
there. Encoding works well, but SFL will crash when processing a message
with a security label with no privacy mark. I now generate a dummy privacy
mark and I have successfully verified my SMIME message.

Thanks for your help. 

Now I can start to use the ACL to do access control on the message. And I
need to figure out why CML does not find a certification path for my
certificates. Wish me good luck. ;-)

Regards, Erik 



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FrÃ¥n: Colestock, Robert [ mailto:[email protected]
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Skickat: den 26 mars 2001 21:24 
Till: 'Erik Rissanen' 
Kopia: Pawling, John 
Ämne: RE: How to verify? 


Erik: 
  
You only need to copy the certificate to CSM_MsgToVerify instance if it was 
not already present in the message.  If the certificate was already in the 
SignedData message, then PreProc will copy the certificate to the 
appropriate place for you.  The certificate is not in the SignerInfo, only 
the SignerID (SID), that identifies the certificate.  The 
CSM_MsgToVerify::m_pMsgCertCrls will contain whatever is in the certificate 
bucket of the SignedData message.  The only interaction with the application

necessary is if the DSA parameters are not present in the user certificate 
(identified by the SignerInfo SID); they would be contained somewhere in the

certificate path that may or may not be present in the SignedData 
certificate bucket.  The SignedData may contain no certificates, in which 
case the application must lookup the SignerInfo SID and retrieve the 
necessary certificate(s) (enough of the certificate path to obtain the DSA 
params). 
  
The SFL ONLY uses the key from the certificate that matches the signer's 
name; it may have to check the certificate path for the DSA parameters (that

may not be present in the user certificate). 
  
Seems I've said this before. 
  
As to the code; you do not have to do any of this.  If the appropriate 
certificates are already contained in the CSM_SignerInfo (not to be confused

with the SNACC ASN.1 SignerInfo class), then you are doubling up the 
certificate list in the certificate bucket.  This operation is already done 
by the PreProc method, if the certificate(s) are in the SignedData. 
  
As to why it crashes, the "pCert" variable is pointing to the same memory as

the certificate list (because you used the "Access..." method).  This might 
seem confusing, but we were searching for a way for an application to use 
internal memory or a copy based on explicit calls to our classes; if you see

"Access..." on a method name, it points to internal memory, "Get..." makes a

copy that the application must delete when finished.  The 
"pMsg->m_pMsgCertCrls->AddCert(pCert);" call takes the application memory 
directly, so that the application does not have to delete the "pCert" (this 
is described in the API document as well).  Most such crashes are due to 2 
pointers to the same memory, both attempting to destroy the class instances.

  
As to why the free3 CTIL cannot process your message, I would need to see 
your data.  Most of the above issues are related more to the data (e.g. 
SignedData with cert or cert-path, cert with DSA params already present), 
than to coding.  To be flexible requires following the specification options

(which allow for many choices when it comes to the presence of public 
information).  Our library attempts to accommodate by providing the 2 steps:

PreProc, where the app would then check for the presence of the appropriate 
info and complement if necessary, then Verify to perform the actual 
verification given the key info.  If you see the supported signature 
algorithm in free3, then perhaps it fails on the digest alg?  You need to 
check your data; considering that you have already modified the free3 CTIL, 
it should be an easy matter to check that the algorithm designated in the 
SignerInfo for the digest and signature are supported by the CTIL. (see 
"SetDefaultOIDs(...)", all of the algs are listed in data statements).  The 
algorithm OIDs must match exactly. 
  
Bob Colestock 
VDA 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Erik Rissanen [ mailto:[email protected]
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:37 AM 
To: 'Colestock, Robert' 
Subject: SV: How to verify? 




You write that SFL only needs the public key to be able to verify a message,

and it is not necessary to validate the certification path of the signer's 
certificate in order to SFL verify to succeed. Does that mean that I can 
just copy the certificate from the signerInfo to the 
CSM_MsgToVerify::m_pMsgCertCrls and Verify should work? Does SFL check that 
the whole certification path of the certificate is present, or does it just 
use the key from the certificate that matches the signer's name from 
CSM_MsgToVerify::m_pMsgCertCrls? 

I tried to just copy the certificate without validation, but Verify crashes 
inside the destructor of a CSM_Buffer object. Below is the code. Should 
Verify work? 

CSM_AppLogin *pAppLogin = new CSM_AppLogin("sm_free3DLLd", "sm_free3DLL NULL

NULL NULL sm_FREE3"); 
CSM_MsgToVerify *pMsg = new CSM_MsgToVerify(pAppLogin, (CSM_Buffer *) 
pci->content.value); 
pMsg->PreProc(pAppLogin); 
// Just add the certificate from the SignerInfo to the list of verified 
certificates. 
pSI = pMsg->m_pSignerInfos->SetCurrToFirst(); 
CSM_CertificateChoiceLst *pCerts = pSI->AccessCerts(); 
CSM_CertificateChoice *pCert = pCerts->SetCurrToFirst(); 
if (!pMsg->m_pMsgCertCrls) 
        pMsg->m_pMsgCertCrls = new CSM_MsgCertCrls; 
pMsg->m_pMsgCertCrls->AddCert(pCert); 
// The call below crashes 
SM_RET_VAL VerRes = pMsg->Verify(pAppLogin); 

Can you see anything abviously wrong with this? 

When I trace the code with the debugger I can see that in 
CSM_MsgSignerInfo::Verify on line 510 in file sm_MsgSignerInfo the call the 
CSM_SignBuf::GetFirstInstance(pCSMIME, &alg1, &alg2) returns NULL. After 
that the execution quickly returns two method calls and crashes in the 
CSM_Buffer destructor. 

I modified the default algorithm of the NULL login to rsa as you suggested. 
When I list the algorithms that the instance supports, I get RSA, but still 
it seems like SFL is unable to find an instance that supports the needed 
algorithm, or? 

Any suggestions on how to track this problem? 

Regards, Erik 



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Skickat: den 23 mars 2001 17:58 
Till: 'Erik Rissanen' 
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Ämne: RE: How to verify? 


Erik: 
  
A certificate path is just a group of certificates; they are inserted into 
the "m_pMsgCertCrls" variable 1 certificate at a time.  If you have an ASN.1


encoded sequence of or set of certificates, simply navigate the list to 
insert a single certificate at a time into the member variable (that is what


we do when re receive a message in pre-proc from the SignedData certificate 
bucket). 
  
You may not need the entire certificate path to verify if the DSA parameters


are present in the user certificate.  From a strict security standpoint you 
should get the entire path and verify that the user certificate signature is


valid before calling the SFL verify, but the verify itself just needs the 
appropriate public key and DSA parameters (which may be in an issuer 
certificate). 
  
Your 6 steps are correct. 
  
You are correct, the NULL login only does DSA (oops).  Temporarily I would 
suggest you override the default to rsa by changing the line in sm_free3.cpp


from: 
  
   if (pFree == NULL) 
   {  
      // THIS MEMORY will be returned in the CSM_Tokeninterface *. 
      // generate a new FREE CTI class 
      if ((pFree = new CSM_Free3(id_dsa)) == NULL)    // DEFAULT DSA 
         SME_THROW(SM_MEMORY_ERROR, NULL, NULL); 
         // CSM_Free3 constructor set's Alg IDs 
   } 
TO 
    ... 
      if ((pFree = new CSM_Free3(rsa)) == NULL)    // DEFAULT DSA 
    ... 
  
around line 3638 in "CSM_TokenInterface *CSM_Free3::AddLoginStatic(...)".  I


will fix this to allow both DSA and RSA for the next release. 
  
  
Sorry, I cannot help you with the CML, I do not believe it is related, but 
you can re-test with the above change to see if it makes a difference.  If 
you still have problems with the CML lookup (it should work fine when the 
entries are present), e-mail back with your specific setup details for the 
CML, we will re-investigate. 
  
The CSM_MsgToVerify::m_pSignerInfos load could be a but, but this load is 
related to the presence of the CSMIME structure, since it aligns which 
instances can verify.  This logic resides together at this time; it could be


split to separately load SignerInfos, then align the logins through 
SignerInfo algs (at the time it seemed wasteful in performance to loop 2ce, 
but there are not many SignerInfos). 
  
Bob Colestock 
VDA 

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From: Erik Rissanen [ mailto:[email protected]
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:27 AM 
To: 'Colestock, Robert' 
Cc: [email protected] 
Subject: SV: How to verify? 




You write that the application does not need to do anything if the signer's 
certificate is included in the message (did I understand you correctly?), 
but the SFL API documentation seems to claim otherwise. I am a bit confused 
about the SFL api documentation section 6.2.2.3. It states that the 
application has to obtain the ASN encoded certification path for each 
signature that it wishes to be verified. The path is to be inserted in 
CSM_MsgToVerify::m_pMsgCertCrls before the call to CSM_MsgToVerify::Verify. 
How is the path to be inserted? I can figure out from the API documentation 
which method to call if I want to insert a CRL, an AC or a certificate, but 
I cannot find anything about certification paths in the CSM_MsgCertCrls 
documentation. 

Are the following steps the correct way to verify a SMIME message: 

1) Instantiate a CSM_Applogin with the sm_free3 NULL login as descibed in 
your reply. 
2) Instantiate a CSM_MsgToVerify with my SMIME message and call PreProc(). 
3) Extract the signer certificate from the CSM_MsgToVerify. 
4) Use CML to obtain an ASN encoded certification path for the certificate. 
5) Insert the certification path into the CSM_MsgToVerify according to 
above. 
6) Call CSM_MsgToVerify::Verify. 


The CSM_CSInst instance that I get when I initiate a NULL CSM_AppLogin, does


not list RSA as one of its supported algorithms. I am using RSA 
certificates, so will that be a problem? Also for some reason CML returns 
CM_NO_PATH_FOUND when I try to build the certification path (step 4 above). 
I don't know why, since all the necessary certificates are in the SRL 
database. Could it be caused because the CSM_CSInst does not list RSA? 

One more thing: Some of the overloaded versions of 
CSM_MsgToVerify::CSM_MsgToVerify and CSM_MsgToVerify::PreProc do not process


the signerInfos so that they become available in 
CSM_MsgToVerify::m_pSignerInfos. Is this a bug? 

For instance: 

// Does not work: 
CSM_ContentInfoMsg *pcim = new CSM_ContentInfoMsg(pSMIMEMsg); 
CSM_MsgToVerify *pMsg = new CSM_MsgToVerify(pcim); 
pMsg->PreProc(pAppLogin); 
// pMsg->m_pSignerInfos == NULL now 

//Works: 
// pci is SNACC ContentInfo with signedData in pci->content 
CSM_MsgToVerify *pMsg = new CSM_MsgToVerify(pAppLogin, (CSM_Buffer *) 
pci->content.value); 
pMsg->PreProc(pAppLogin); 
// pMsg->m_pSignerInfos != NULL now 


Regards, Erik 


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Ämne: RE: How to verify? 


Erik: 
  
Step 5 is not appropriate.  If the signing certifcate is already contained 
in the message, pre-proc has already loaded it into the appropriate place 
for the verify functionality to process the public key.  The only 
application interaction necessary in the verification is if the certificate 
is not in the message; in this case it would be necessary to access the SID 
from the SignerInfo(s) and lookup the certificate (from ldap, or local 
storage???).  In this case, the certificate would have to be added to the 
CSM_MsgToVerify certificate bucket before calling the Verify method. 
  
The login certificate is only used to load the signer's certificate on 
origination of a signed message. 
  
Bob Colestock 
VDA 

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From: Erik Rissanen [ mailto:[email protected]
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To: 'Colestock, Robert'; Erik Rissanen 
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Subject: SV: How to verify? 


Thank you for your reply. 
  
So now I have a CSM_CSInst to use for the verification. But I still don't 
understand how I should put the public key in it. 
  
I assume that my application has to do as follows: 
  
1) Instantiate a CSM_Applogin with the sm_free3 NULL login as descibed in 
your reply. 
2) Instantiate a CSM_MsgToVerify with my SMIME message and call PreProc(). 
3) Extract the signer certificate from the CSM_MsgToVerify 
4) Validate the certificate (with CML). 
5) Insert the certificate into the CSM_CSInst contained in the 
CSM_Applogin??? 
6) Call CSM_MsgToVerify::Verify. 
  
Is this correct and how do I perform step 5? 
  
Regards, Erik 
  

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Skickat: den 21 mars 2001 17:07 
Till: Erik Rissanen 
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Ämne: RE: How to verify? 


Erik: 
  
There were some problems with NULL logins, depending on your release.  The 
original intent was that the application would use the same logins (always 
present) for verification that are used for signing.  Since our original 
design, our own uses of the library dictate that we many times generate a 
login only when we need it.  You can use the CSM_CSInst with a private key 
for verification. 
  
As to the NULL logins, it should work fine in the newest version; for DSA 
verification it is now built-in, you no longer need to use the Free3 CTIL 
(assuming SHA1 and DSA).  You do not have to link directly, the BuildArgs 
should be "sm_free3DLL NULL NULL NULL sm_FREE3" (it no longer needs a 
certificate).  You should be able to copy the init logic from the 
sm_free3.cpp/h files on your release.  I have included just these source 
files.  Sorry about the confusion in our APIs, actual usage of the SFL 
library is very different from our original design intentions causing undue 
complexity.  Some issues are being corrected (like the NULL login with no 
certificate, and the newest built-in instance for SHA1, SHA2, AES, and DSA 
verify). 
  
Bob Colestock 
VDA. 

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Subject: SFL: How to verify? 



I am trying to use SFL to verify a signed SMIME message. The message has one



signerinfo with a security label and nothing  else. The signers PKC is 
included in the SignerInfo. 

I don't understand how to initialize the sm_free3 CTIL to use for 
verification. I have successfully used SFL and sm_free3 to sign messages. 
For signing I initialized a SM_Applogin with the sm_free3 DLL and a PKCS#12 
file. The resulting CSM_CSInst is  associated with the private key and 
signing works fine. 

But having each CSM_CSInst instance to represent a private key doesn't make 
sense for verify, since there is no associated private key for the 
opperation. So how do I initialize a CSM_CSInst instance in this case? I 
don't understand the API  documentation on this point. 

The approach I have tried is to compile time link with the sm_free3 DLL and 
do: 

CSM_CSInst *pInst = pSMIME->m_pCSInsts->AppendL(); 
CSM_Free3 *pFree3 = new CSM_Free3(); 
pFree3->AddLogin(certBuffer, NULL, NULL, "NULL"); 
pInst->SetTokenInterface(pFree3); 

Where certBuffer contains the certificate from the SMIME message SignerInfo.





This causes a crash in the destructor of a CSM_Buffer when 
CSM_DataToVerify::Verify returns, so I guess I am doing something wrong. Is 
the code above the correct approach? 

Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Regards, Erik Rissanen