Re: A comment on draft-ietf-simple-chat-12

Hi Miguel Angel,

thanks. As soon as the new revision hits the archives I will initiate
the IETF LC.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On 23/01/2012 9:46 AM, Miguel Garcia A wrote:
> I agree with Peter's and Gonzalo's subsequent comment.
> 
> So, we will replace "identity" with "identifier" and clarify that the 
> type of identifier is determined by the following requirements.
> 
> /Miguel
> 
> On 23/01/2012 8:34, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> right, this sounds more like an identifier, because claiming that a
>> participant will be able to determine your identity when you are an
>> anonymous user is not clear at all.
>>
>> In any case, I am OK with not specifying which exact identifier will be
>> used. However, the requirement should be clear that the vagueness was
>> introduced on purpose. An extra sentence should be enough for the reader
>> to understand what the requirement actually means.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>>
>> On 20/01/2012 5:05 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>> Further: I'd encourage you to use the word "identifier" because
>>> "identity" is vague and overloaded.
>>>
>>> On 1/20/12 5:54 AM, Miguel A. Garcia wrote:
>>>> Gonzalo,
>>>>
>>>> The requirement talks on purpose about "identities" with the ambiguity
>>>> that the word "identities" carry, meaning that we don't really specify
>>>> whether those identities are SIP identities, tel URL identities,
>>>> nicknames, or social security identities :-)
>>>>
>>>> Then requirements 5 and 7 expand a bit more on the type of identities
>>>> that must be supported by the system.
>>>>
>>>> So, to answer your question, Req-2 deliberately leaves unspecified the
>>>> type of identity of a sender and recipients, since this will depend on a
>>>> number of factors, to mention a few:
>>>> - whether nicknames are supported/used.
>>>> - whether anonymity is requested.
>>>> - The type of real identity used by the user.
>>>>
>>>> I still leaning towards leaving the requirement written as it is now.
>>>>
>>>> /Miguel
>>>>
>>>> On 20/01/2012 13:27, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> a quick comment on draft-ietf-simple-chat-12 before I start its IETF LC:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-chat-12
>>>>>
>>>>> Requirement 2 says the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>    REQ-2:  A conference participant must be able to determine the
>>>>>              identities of the sender and recipient of the received IMs.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few lines below, requirements 5 and 7 talk about participants having
>>>>> nicknames, pseudonyms, real identities, and anonymous identities.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would be a good way to rephrase requirement 2 so that it is clear
>>>>> what type of identity it refers to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>>
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