Re: SIMPLE and OMA and 3Gpp and RCS and... (new subject)
Mary Barnes <[email protected]> Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:18:54 -0600
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--===============6747561841899178672== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401fe59ee747e04cdab358a --f46d0401fe59ee747e04cdab358a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:22 PM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) < [email protected]> wrote: > I think you got the point. I can't help it if you don't think it is an > issue. > [MB] It's to clear to me what point you think Ben got as he lighted there are two separate things. [/MB] > > We'll see if OMA come back or not to test if you are right or wrong. > [MB] A message has been sent to OMA that we are not appointing a new liaison manager: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1213/ If OMA believes that is a problem, then they should reply to the IETF and we can discuss if there is a need. Since it seems you have a vested interest in this area, are you willing to serve as the IETF liaison? One of the issues when Murray stepped down was that there wasn't an obvious individual that could take on the role. [/MB] > > > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 01 November 2012 23:12 > > To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; Olle E. Johansson; Bernard Aboba; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Simple] SIMPLE and OMA and 3Gpp and RCS and... (new > subject) > > > > > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Ben Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:00 PM, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" > <keith.drage@alcatel- > > lucent.com> wrote: > > > > > >> So I guess that IETF has therefore abandoned RFC 5727. > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out how "abandoning 5727" follows from "no liaison > > manager for OMA". I'm not getting it; can you elaborate? > > > > > >> > > >> OMA last asked for 6 header fields to be registered. As far as I > > understand they were told they needed a standards track RFC to do this. > > Identifying no need for cooperation tells me that IETF is quite happy > they > > have their own version of the SIP specification. > > >> > > > > > > I don't think choosing not to assign a liaison manager implies we > expect > > no cooperation. You don't need an IETF assigned liaison manager to > someone > > bring a draft to the IETF, do you? > > > > Okay, that was a cut-paste disaster. s/ "to someone bring" / "for someone > > to bring" > > > > > > > >> Keith > > >> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:[email protected]] > > >>> Sent: 01 November 2012 20:09 > > >>> To: Ben Campbell > > >>> Cc: Olle E. Johansson; Bernard Aboba; DRAGE, Keith (Keith); > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [Simple] SIMPLE and OMA and 3Gpp and RCS and... (new > > subject) > > >>> > > >>> Murray was the liaison person to the OMA from the IETF side. Murray > > >>> recently discontinued his participation in the OMA (due to a job > > change). > > >>> We discussed the need to appoint a new liaison person in the IAB and > > came > > >>> to the conclusion that no new appointment is necessary; the required > > need > > >>> to interact with the OMA had decreased over time. > > >>> > > >>> Does anyone on this list believe that there is a need for cooperation > > with > > >>> the OMA? > > >>> > > >>> Ciao > > >>> Hannes > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my ASUS Pad > > >>> > > >>> Ben Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 2:20 PM, "Olle E. Johansson" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> What is the current relationship betwen OMA and the IETF? ANy > > >>> cooperation, like between 3Gpp and the IETF? > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> There is a liaison, but I don't think it's been very active for a > > while > > >>> now. > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Simple mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simple mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple > --f46d0401fe59ee747e04cdab358a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, N= ov 1, 2012 at 6:22 PM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">keith.drage@al= catel-lucent.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;= margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color= :rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">I think you got= the point. I can't help it if you don't think it is an issue.<br> </blockquote><div>[MB] It's to clear to me what point you think Ben got= as he lighted there are two separate things. [/MB]=A0</div><blockquote cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0= px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,20= 4);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> We'll see if OMA come back or not to test if you are right or wrong.<br= ></blockquote><div>[MB] A message has been sent to OMA that we are not appo= inting a new liaison manager:</div><div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf= .org/liaison/1213/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1213/</a></div> <div>If OMA believes that is a problem, then they should reply to the IETF = and we can discuss if there is a need. Since it seems you have a vested int= erest in this area, are you willing to serve as the IETF liaison? =A0One of= the issues when Murray stepped down was that there wasn't an obvious i= ndividual that could take on the role. [/MB]<br> </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-righ= t:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left= -color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br> <br> Keith<br> </font></span><div class=3D"im"><br> > -----Original Message-----<br> > From: Ben Campbell [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">ben@nost= rum.com</a>]<br> > Sent: 01 November 2012 23:12<br> > To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)<br> > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; Olle E. Johansson; Bernard Aboba; <a href=3D"ma= ilto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> > Subject: Re: [Simple] SIMPLE and OMA and 3Gpp and RCS and... (new subj= ect)<br> ><br> ><br> </div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5">> On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Be= n Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> w= rote:<br> ><br> > ><br> > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:00 PM, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <= keith.drage@alcatel-<br> > <a href=3D"http://lucent.com" target=3D"_blank">lucent.com</a>> wro= te:<br> > ><br> > >> So I guess that IETF has therefore abandoned RFC 5727.<br> > ><br> > > I'm trying to figure out how "abandoning 5727" foll= ows from "no liaison<br> > manager for OMA". I'm not getting it; can you elaborate?<br> > ><br> > >><br> > >> OMA last asked for 6 header fields to be registered. As far a= s I<br> > understand they were told they needed a standards track RFC to do this= .<br> > Identifying no need for cooperation tells me that IETF is quite happy = they<br> > have their own version of the SIP specification.<br> > >><br> > ><br> > > I don't think choosing not to assign a liaison manager implie= s we expect<br> > no cooperation. You don't need an IETF assigned liaison manager to= someone<br> > bring a draft to the IETF, do you?<br> ><br> > Okay, that was a cut-paste disaster. s/ "to someone bring" /= "for someone<br> > to bring"<br> ><br> > ><br> > >> Keith<br> > >><br> > >>> -----Original Message-----<br> > >>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:hannes.= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>]<br> > >>> Sent: 01 November 2012 20:09<br> > >>> To: Ben Campbell<br> > >>> Cc: Olle E. Johansson; Bernard Aboba; DRAGE, Keith (Keith= );<br> > >>> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br= > > >>> Subject: Re: [Simple] SIMPLE and OMA and 3Gpp and RCS and= ... (new<br> > subject)<br> > >>><br> > >>> Murray was the liaison person to the OMA from the IETF si= de. Murray<br> > >>> recently discontinued his participation in the OMA (due t= o a job<br> > change).<br> > >>> We discussed the need to appoint a new liaison person in = the IAB and<br> > came<br> > >>> to the conclusion that no new appointment is necessary; t= he required<br> > need<br> > >>> to interact with the OMA had decreased over time.<br> > >>><br> > >>> Does anyone on this list believe that there is a need for= cooperation<br> > with<br> > >>> the OMA?<br> > >>><br> > >>> Ciao<br> > >>> Hannes<br> > >>><br> > >>> Sent from my ASUS Pad<br> > >>><br> > >>> Ben Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">ben@n= ostrum.com</a>> wrote:<br> > >>><br> > >>>><br> > >>>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 2:20 PM, "Olle E. Johansson&q= uot; <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br> > wrote:<br> > >>>><br> > >>>>> What is the current relationship betwen OMA and t= he IETF? ANy<br> > >>> cooperation, like between 3Gpp and the IETF?<br> > >>>>><br> > >>>><br> > >>>><br> > >>>> There is a liaison, but I don't think it's be= en very active for a<br> > while<br> > >>> now.<br> > >>>> _______________________________________________<br> > >>>> Simple mailing list<br> > >>>> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a= ><br> > >>>> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simp= le" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple</a><br> > ><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Simple mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple" target=3D"_blank">= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> --f46d0401fe59ee747e04cdab358a-- --===============6747561841899178672== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============6747561841899178672==--