[TLS] Re: New Version Notification for draft-sullivan-tls-si gned-ech-updates-02.txt

Ben Schwartz <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.tls
Message-ID <CAOdQrVOEf4B4H_E1EM-J1XmGjyBU6sGr1jLbM3QemcR4MoS7Vw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 3:31 PM Nick Sullivan
<[email protected]> wrote:
> The key this design
> removes from the fleet, one that can authenticate as the public name,
> breaks real TLS connections when it leaks. That's the trade, and we
> think it's the right one.

If that key breaks "real" TLS connections, then it is still widely
distributed across the fleet, and is no less vulnerable than before.

> On Problem 2: "don't lose the decryption key" and "don't lose the auth
> key" aren't the same ask.

I think they are.  The operator is welcome to put a copy of the widely
distributed decryption key into cold storage or an HSM too, if that
helps their recovery playbook.  (The interesting question there is
about forward secrecy.)

> And
> since HPKE has no forward secrecy for the ClientHelloInner,
> compromising one of those servers doesn't just expose future
> connections, it retroactively exposes the inner SNI of every recorded
> ClientHello across the whole window.

True!  That does make this strategy less appealing.

--Ben

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