[TLS] Re: Jonathan's "pause" extension

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This "pause and do the auth dance" (hammertime?) extension does need to
synchronize with the stream explicitly as you may have a transaction that
was started before the authentication and completes after. If the auth is
inband at the higher layer that's taken care of.

I'm not sure how big a deal this is.

Sincerely,
Watson

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 6:09=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Hoyland <jonathan.hoyland@gm=
ail.com>
wrote:

> My suggestion is to pair EAs with a pause, with the pause being a reusabl=
e
> component for other protocols.
>
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 at 15:03, Salz, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 7/24/26, 2:54=E2=80=AFPM, "Jonathan Hoyland" <jonathan.hoyland@gmail.=
com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    - Most attempts to bind stuff to the TLS layer seem to fail the
>>    moment they find that most libraries don't support it.
>>
>>
>> But in this case, Yaroslov is proposing TLS changes anyway.
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>This &quot;pause=
 and do the auth dance&quot; (hammertime?) extension does need to synchroni=
ze with the stream explicitly as you may have a transaction that was starte=
d before the authentication and completes after. If the auth is inband at t=
he higher layer that&#39;s taken care of.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;m not sure how big a deal this is.</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Sincerely,</div><div dir=3D"auto">Watson=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div>------</div><div data-smartmail=3D"g=
mail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Astra mortemque praestare gradatim</div></=
div></div><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 6:09=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Hoy=
land &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
>My suggestion is to pair EAs with a pause, with the pause being a reusable=
 component for other protocols.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 at 15:03, Salz, Ri=
ch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



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On 7/24/26, 2:54=E2=80=AFPM, &quot;Jonathan Hoyland&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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Most attempts to bind stuff to the TLS layer seem to fail the moment they f=
ind that most libraries don&#39;t support it.</div>
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But in this case, Yaroslov is proposing TLS changes anyway.</div>
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