[TLS] Re: Improving the quality of the discussion on the TLS email list

Eliot Lear <[email protected]> Fri, 31 Jul 2026 13:02:26 +0200
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Re: Improving the quality of the discussion on the TLS
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To: Ken Kubota <[email protected]>,
 Dennis Jackson <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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    <p><font face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi,</font></p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 31.07.2026 12:37, Ken Kubota wrote:=
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There have been repeated requests [1, 2] that the working group chairs re=
lease the participant chart/list/table publicly that supports the 70 % cl=
aim ("7/10 WG participants favor advancing the document" [3]).</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>Unnecessary.=C2=A0 All the information used by the chairs is publi=
cly
      available on this list.=C2=A0 Do your own homework.=C2=A0 Stop maki=
ng work
      for others.</p>
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