[urn] Re: URN Namespace Registration for International Stand ard Name Identifier

The delay is my fault. It appears I dropped the ball, perhaps waiting to 
see if other expert review team members had feedback.

I'll submit this to IANA very soon!

Peter

On 10/15/25 10:17 AM, Paul Jessop wrote:
> Hi Peter, all,
> 
> Can I enquire where this has got to? I may well have dropped the ball 
> myself but having been in and out of hospital over the last 12 months it 
> wouldn’t be the only thing. I cannot find anything more recent than the 
> message below.
> 
> All the relevant experts seem to be very comfortable with the text and I 
> have reviewed it to make sure nothing has become invalid in the past 
> year. Rather to my surprise, what was a somewhat academic “completeness” 
> exercise has acquired real-world urgency as some deepfake driven 
> initiatives are asking that participating identifiers be expressible as 
> URNs.
> 
> Can Peter let me know?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Paul Jessop
> Adviser to ISNI International Agency.
> 
> *From: *Peter Saint-Andre <[email protected]>
> *Date: *Monday, 16 September 2024 at 21:20
> *To: *Paul Jessop <[email protected]>, Dale R. Worley 
> <[email protected]>
> *Cc: *[email protected] <[email protected]>, [email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Subject: *Re: [urn] Re: URN Namespace Registration for International 
> Standard Name Identifier
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Your edits look good. I'm in favor of registering this namespace with
> all due speed.
> 
> Peter
> 
> On 9/12/24 6:54 PM, Paul Jessop wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > Here is the updated registration request. It has been extensively
>  > revised to address the comments made.
>  >
>  > I hope the encoding is correct now. I didn’t understand about byte order
>  > marks, so this has been an education as well! I don’t think the text
>  > actually needs UTF-8 encoding now anyway.
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  >
>  > Paul
>  >
>  > Paul Jessop              county analytics ltd
>  >
>  > ---------------------------------------------
>  >
>  > rights - technology - markets - music - media
>  >
>  > ---------------------------------------------
>  >
>  > ISNI                      0000 0005 1119 3335
>  >
>  > ---------------------------------------------
>  >
>  > [email protected]      +44 7850 685378
>  >
>  > On 12/09/2024, 11:09, "Paul Jessop" <[email protected]
>  > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> 
> wrote:
>  >
>  > Thanks both. All seems sensible. I will rework and resubmit.
>  >
>  > I'm sorry about the text file format. I think I spent my energy on Mac
>  > CR/LF issues and neglected the character set mis-match!
>  >
>  > And now that the experts are aware that the minor revision doesn’t
>  > affect anything at issue here, it can safely disappear.
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  >
>  > Paul
>  >
>  > Paul Jessop county analytics ltd
>  >
>  > ---------------------------------------------
>  >
>  > rights - technology - markets - music - media
>  >
>  > ---------------------------------------------
>  >
>  > ISNI 0000 0005 1119 3335
>  >
>  > ---------------------------------------------
>  >
>  > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>  > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>> +44
>  > 7850 685378
>  >
>  > On 11/09/2024, 19:22, "Peter Saint-Andre" <[email protected]
>  > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> <mailto:[email protected]
>  > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote:
>  >
>  > In addition to Dale's feedback, which seems sensible to me, I would
>  >
>  > suggest the following changes:
>  >
>  > - for the registrant, include a role address at isni.org, not Paul's
>  >
>  > personal email address; this can help with future communications
>  >
>  > - because the RFC 8141 registation template does not have a "Background"
>  >
>  > or a "Benefits" section, move that information to the appropriate
>  >
>  > sections in the template (mainly "Purpose")
>  >
>  > - move the "Character set" information to the "Syntax" section (again,
>  >
>  > there is no "Character set" section in the template)
>  >
>  > - remove the sentence about current minor revisions to ISO 27729 since
>  >
>  > that information is rather ephemeral
>  >
>  > Peter
>  >
>  > On 9/11/24 10:08 AM, Dale R. Worley wrote:
>  >
>  >  > There seems every reason to approve this registration. However, I
>  >
>  >  > suggest these small changes:
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  > - There are occurrences of the character "?" in the document that seem
>  >
>  >  > to replace non-ASCII characters in an original version. These should
>  >
>  >  > either be replaced with appropriate ASCII characters, or the document
>  >
>  >  > revised to use UTF-8 encodings of the original characters.
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  > - Add a note for implementors that the resolution process may include
>  >
>  >  > one or more HTTP redirections. Implementors should be prepared for 
> this
>  >
>  >  > anyway, but it's useful to warn them.
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  > - I notice that the current registration template in RFC 8141 doesn't
>  >
>  >  > have an explicit "uniqueness and persistence" section, but I recommend
>  >
>  >  > adding a section on uniqueness to assemble these points, as there are
>  >
>  >  > certain subtleties involved:
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  > [as already in Background] ISNI does not identify the underlying
>  >
>  >  > natural or legal person and several ISNIs may be associated with
>  >
>  >  > such a person if it presents multiple identities (such as personas)
>  >
>  >  > to the public.
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  > [as already in Assignment] Where two ISNIs are later discovered to
>  >
>  >  > refer to the same identity, these registrations are merged, the
>  >
>  >  > unused ISNI is retained but marked as deprecated and it is linked to
>  >
>  >  > the other ISNI.
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  > [It seems to me that what constitutes an "identity" is a *cultural*
>  >
>  >  > question, and specifically not a technical one. Perhaps ISNI-IA or
>  >
>  >  > the ISO standard has nice boilerplate to state this.]
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  > Dale
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
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