Re: {S} Yuck... 710 MB

On Tuesday 18 January 2005 03:56, Zackary Deems wrote:
> Kommander is far from necessary.

Agreed 100%, but kdewebdev needs it. Maybe we need to look into packaging 
kdewebdev more intelligently so we can avoid the dependencies on kommander 
(and, even worse, kommander-devel).

I've moved Portuguese support to ark-extra-languages for now, the installer 
isn't translated to Portuguese anyway, so any Portuguese user will have to 
speak a different language anyway (and if someone speaks 
English/German/French/... well enough to understand the installer, he'll 
probably figure out the extra CD installer as well).

> Drop the non-top-shelf games and move them to a games CD.  I.e. leave
> supertux and ppracer .. and maybe chromium, move everything else off.

True, but the only other games we have on core are the KDE games, and they're 
small -- moving them off would save less than 1 MB.

> Remove all themes except plastik and keramik.

Much the same here:
qt-style-windows-3.3.3-6ark.i586.rpm 58164 bytes
theme-highcolor-3.3.2-1.20041221.2ark.i586.rpm 63898 bytes
theme-keramik-3.3.2-1.20041221.2ark.i586.rpm 100576 bytes
theme-light-3.3.2-1.20041221.2ark.i586.rpm 73802 bytes
theme-marble-3.3.2-1.20041221.2ark.i586.rpm 145806 bytes
theme-plastik-3.3.0-1ark.i586.rpm 103751 bytes
theme-system-3.3.2-1.20041221.2ark.i586.rpm 54745 bytes

I think we should keep at least qt-style-windows in there as well, for the 
"But I don't want my new OS to be any different from my old OS" crowd who 
just pick "behave like that crappy OS" in kpersonalizer.

> Or just move to a 2 disk install as the primary method, and strip down
> base-home to be roughly equivalent to base-workstation.  Trying to keep
> the one-disk install as the primary delivery method is REALLY becoming a
> hindrance to the overall quality of a cleanly installed ark machine.

Always an option... I prefer trimming the package list while possible though 
(also important for CD inclusion in books/magazines/...)

Some more candidates for moving to the other CDs:
ark-backgrounds	Maybe split into ark-backgrounds (core) and
			ark-backgrounds-extra (AES)?
cervisia		currently needed by kdewebdev, but I don't think the average
			"I want to have my own homepage" guy will need it -- again a
			matter of packaging kdewebdev more intelligently to avoid
			deps.
cdda2wav	cdparanoia is much better anyway, but maybe something
			requires cdda2wav? Not sure...
db4-java		This is some obscure OOo requirement, but I'm fairly sure
			it works just fine without it (I've tried it locally without seeing
			any odd effects). I tend to think it's in reality needed to build
			OOo only, so it should go to -devel
cvs			Currently there because cervisia needs it and is in turn needed
			by kdewebdev
dosfstools	Does anyone really use this? We can mount dos partitions without
			it, and I don't see a real need for a typical user to fsck a dos filesystem
efax	, kfax	Given it doesn't work with ISDN and almost all analog modems you
			can get today are winmodems anyway...
fortune-mod	Currently included because one of the KDE screensavers needs it,
			but we should split those out of kdebase anyway (and move most
			of them off)
glib1		*****ing legacy cruft, no longer required since I patched espgs not to
			use glib
ImageMagick-c++	Nothing uses it, should probably go to -devel until something
			actually uses it
imlib		More *****ing legacy cruft... Currently used by kuickshow, but I think
			if we compile kuickshow without imlib support it won't lose any
			functionality - KDE can handle (almost?) all formats imlib supports
			natively these days.
samba, samba-client	Is this needed for smb:/ to work? I don't think it is, and
			if it isn't, I don't see much of a reason to include it
k3b-i18n		We should probably split this into per-language packages and include
			only the primary supported languages in base, just like with kde-i18n
kde-i18n-British	I think it's not really important whether you're asked to
			pick your favourite colour or your favorite color, and anyone
			understanding one variant will understand the other... But maybe British
			people disagree? Any comments on this?
kio_exec	Included because the ancient (pre-rewrite) ark-mission-control needed
			it. No longer used.
kommander, kommander-devel
			Another fairly superluous kdewebdev requirement
mouseconfig	I don't think this handles anything coldplug doesn't do
			automatically.
Xdriver-apm, Xdriver-ark, Xdriver-siliconmotion, Xdriver-tseng
			Has anyone ever seen this hardware? I certainly haven't...
zisofs-tools	Probably mostly useful for developers, -> -devel

Also, there's the ISO8859-14 and ISO8859-9 fon packages -- which languages are 
they required for? Any languages we support in a base install? If not, they 
should probably be moved to the extra-languages CD along with the other files 
supporting the languages...