[LAU] Re: Looking for a cLI recordiing solution / ideas, brainstorming

Hey hey,
I'd like to add to Joel's response: JUCE as such is, of course, ported to 
Linux, but the accessibility structure that was added for mac and windows has 
not been added to the Linux version, since the accessibility code needs to be 
tailored to each platform and the underlying GUI infrastructure.

Further, I know of a few plugins being particularly ported to work better with 
mod-host and the mod devices. Though certainly, I would appreciate more 
plugins joining these modifications either as part of the mod-devices 
ecosystem or just by themselves. That said, I don't know how many "good" 
reasons there are to limit the automatable input parameters to a 0 to 1 range. 
-- Not to skew the view on reality: there are LV2 plugins whose input 
parameter reflect the proper value ranges as well.

Best wishes,

Jeanette

Jul 31 2025, Joel Roth has written:

> Brandon Hale wrote:
>
>> I'm very sad that ecasound is slowly falling behind. What does that mean for
>> Nama?
>
> Hi Brandon,
>
> Sometime Nama author here. Thanks for asking.
>
> The last ecasound release was in 2020. I think ecasound can
> tolerate a backlog of a few patches from distro maintainers.
> And I'm confident that author Kai Vehmanen will consider
> reviewing and merging them into his sources.  Or if
> necessary, someone will step up.
>
> LV2 plugins with poor support for CLI are not an ecasound
> problem. As Jeanette explained it to me, for some plugins,
> the GUI might display a certain parameter as frequency in
> Hz, however the same parameter accessed via liblilv might
> simply indicate a range of 0 to 1.
>
> I hope mod-host users and others wanting better information
> about LV2 plugins outside a GUI framework will complain
> loudly (and politely) to the plugin authors. Also, it sounds
> like someone will have to port JUCE to linux for some
> plugins to compile.
>
> Regarding Nama, I think it's worth maintaining a
> recorder/editor for terminal users that doesn't require the
> overhead of a GUI with an accessibility framework.
>
> Nama has convenience features in the pipeline that are
> blocked by problems with the keymaps and terminal libraries.
> The new features will reduce the keystrokes needed for
> transport seeking, setting and bumping marks, trimming and
> assembling audio segments, and adjusting plugin parameters.
>
> Overcoming terminal-related issues and landing these
> features will be the biggest help for Nama, IMO :-)
>
> regards to all
>
> Joel
>
>
>> On 7/25/25 07:59, Jeanette C. wrote:
>>> Hey hey,
>>> I just heard that Ecasound, as robsut as its code is, is slowly moving
>>> out, requiring more and more patches. So I should really look for a new
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> Why CLI? I had a GUI running on my system, with JACK, and found that
>>> Orca was very sluggish, not condusive to fast efficient work. Besides,
>>> there are quite a few LV2 plugins which are built on JUCE and JUCE Uis
>>> are not accessible on Linux. Last thing I heard, they added
>>> accessibility but only to mac and windows.
>>>
>>> So back to the commandline. LV2 plugins can be controlled there,
>>> mod-host a case in point. Though, admittedly, I found quite a few
>>> plugins with quite meaningless parameter ranges. Still, they can be
>>> used.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any ideas? Perhaps something that is in its early
>>> stages or a UI that was created for testing or automation and might
>>> offer more beyond that purpose? -- Any suggestions or hints are welcome.
>>> For the time being, Ecasound will run, but its life-cycle looks
>>> definitely finite in the foreseeable future.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Jeanette
>>>
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