Re: VPAC etc

Sooo, based off an article who's entire source was a post on the mailing
list (no follow up, no asking for more information), from an organisation
that has been hostile to LA for a while now, some have decided that
everyone sucks and should be ashamed or some such nonsense.

Excellent, it's been a while since I've had a look here, but it all seems
to be going along as normal.

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 at 15:26 David Bell <[email protected]> wrote:

> Noel,
>
> You do realise that Linux Australia's Admin Team (and the Council,
> conference teams, mirror team, web team, etc) is made up of volunteers?
> Volunteers who maintain LA's infrastructure in their spare time, out of
> their own good will for no material benefit whatsoever?
>
> David
>
> On 7 June 2016 at 14:53, Noel Butler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 06/06/2016 23:48, Russell Coker wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:24:07 PM Andrew Pam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/06/16 20:51, Russell Coker wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/the-linux-distillery/72843-lin
>>>> > ux- australia-hosting-woes-to-continue-under-current-mindset.html
>>>> >
>>>> > The above article will probably be of interest to some people here.
>>>> > Comments are open.
>>>>
>>>> And sadly the comments are filled with self-centred outrage, claims that
>>>> Russell's requests for some sensitivity in the use of language are
>>>> "bullying" and complaints about "SJWs".  Oh no!  Russell is infringing
>>>> on people's free speech by politely disagreeing!  It's political
>>>> correctness gone mad!  I understand that people are upset about the
>>>> underlying issues, but this is a poorly written article and the
>>>> publication sorely needs a community manager to keep the comments on
>>>> track.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's doubly ironic that the Anonymous Coward is complaining that I'm
>>> infringing his freedom of speech.  The first irony is that he believes
>>> that his
>>> free speech requires that I have no free speech - free speech is not
>>> freedom
>>> from people disagreeing, it's freedom for everyone to disagree!  The
>>> second
>>> irony is that if IT Wire weren't so committed to this type of free
>>> speech they
>>> would have cut him off long ago.
>>>
>>> But the comment thread is educational.  Even by Internet standards it's
>>> uncommon to see so much stupidity concentrated in one place.  I will blog
>>> about this.
>>>
>>> Back to the content of the article, while there are some complaints that
>>> could
>>> be made about it (apart from the one I made) I think there is one
>>> noteworthy
>>> point.  The question is asked why doesn't Linux Australia pay for
>>> hosting.  It
>>> would be good if the council could answer that.  I don't think that LA
>>> should
>>> necessarily pay for hosting, but I think it would be good if the members
>>> know
>>> what services are in use and why the decision was made to not use Linode,
>>> Hetzner, EC2, and other options.
>>>
>>> As an aside the LUV server is now a VM on a Hetzner server.
>>>
>>
>> Virtual services are more prone to outages then real hardware
>> SANs are notoriously unreliable - we've seen them blamed for many virt
>> env outages.
>> real daemons running on real disks and not from a big file are far far
>> far more efficient.
>> You know your hardware, so if it fails its your fault.
>> You know your hardware so you know what it is capable of
>>
>> As for external hosting with the above named services, multiple ip ranges
>> of them, especially hetzner and linode are dnsbl'd.
>>
>> The right decision to buy and use our own hardware.
>> The wrong decision to keep expecting an org like this with healthy bank
>> account to get free hosting.When you dont pay for it you are of course at
>> the mercy of someone elses generosity. when you pay for it, you end up with
>> SLA;s.
>>
>> Lastly, the fact no one took ownership and worked day in day out to move
>> it after being given notice reflects poorly upon that team, and the fact
>> nobody did squat till it was too late, that entire team should be asked to
>> resign, i'm actually serious, in fact if they had any ounce of decency,
>> theyd offer up their resignations - In the real world out there, yes the
>> $dayjobs, do you think your employers would give you that option if you did
>> it to them? no, theyd have security escort you off premises so fast youd be
>> wondering what just happened.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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