Re: Electron Workshop spam
Al Maclang via linux-aus <[email protected]> Tue, 3 Feb 2026 16:01:57 +1100
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--===============1783901157809532349== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000073517f0649e45716" --00000000000073517f0649e45716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Can we integrate our mailing system with an agentic AI and train the AI on proper governance? I hope this suggestion helps. Al https://www.linkedin.com/in/albertomaclang/ On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 at 15:03, Russell Coker via linux-aus < [email protected]> wrote: > On Tuesday, 3 February 2026 10:13:36 AEDT dvalin--- via linux-aus wrote: > > > The main problem is that they harvested the addresses from another list > > > and > > > > > > continually refuse to change their behaviour in that regard. > > > > In contrast, I'm pleased that some vestigial contact with local Linux > > remains, after I was arbitrarily unsubscribed from luv-main, apparently > by > > some automaton, on the spurious basis of "a number of bounces". > > That's an ongoing issue with mailing lists. Email is Balkanised by the > different choices regarding anti-spam measures. So when (not if) a > mailing > list passes through email that some servers (correctly or incorrectly - > usually incorrectly) consider spam then people get unsubscribed. > > You are correct that something equivalent to luv-main is needed. In the > old > days there was enough mailing list traffic that having separate lists for > discussing random Linux issues made sense. When you exceed a certain > number > of list members the number of duplicate answers due to email lag becomes > excessive and the benefits of having more people to increase the > probability > of a good answer taper off when a certain number of people are present. > > Now the email traffic from all Linux users in Australia who want to > discuss > things on mailing lists can fit on this list. If you look through the > archives of this list you will see discussions on similar topics to > luv-main. > > https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo > > A quick scan of this page suggests that the majority of lists on this > server > could be removed due to lack of traffic, maybe with the archives moved to > an > obsolete lists page. > > It seems that most of the discussion that used to happen on mailing lists > now > happens on Matrix. Have you considered getting a Matrix account? > > Also in the old days questions about how to install Linux etc all went to > luv- > main while nowadays people tend to use a web forum run by the distribution > they are using. > > > The email address, in use for a couple of decades has received hundreds > of > > thousands of list mails, and continues to reliably do so. OK, the sloppy > > luv chop happened back in October 2024, and the crappy system might have > > been improved since. I have no way of knowing. > > In about 2022 I quit doing anything noteworthy in terms of LUV sysadmin > and > have just kept the VM ticking over ever since. For reasons that are > probably > similar to mine no-one else wanted to work on it. > > > While my reaction is "whatever", Brian's focus on fixing problems is > > constructive, and more conducive to list survival as more and more go > > moribund these days. > > Neither Brian nor anyone else in this discussion has actually focussed on > fixing problems, Brian and some others have stated that it would be good > to > have problems fixed but have not volunteered to do it. If Brian wants to > work > on the LUV server he can email me his ssh public key and I'll give him > root > access (I've known Brian for more than 30 years and worked with him on > several > occasions). If you want to work on it then we can have a chat about that, > the > process wouldn't be as quick as it would for Brian but it's definitely an > option. > > If Brian wants to work on the Electron Workshop stuff then I'm sure they > will > be happy to work with him, but AFAIK he has not volunteered for such > things. > > Also there has not been any mention of plans for a general Linux mailing > list > similar to luv-main by the Electron Workshop people, just the luv-announce > list. > > -- > My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ > My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe-cunTk1MwBs8iFSDQTTA3OBCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org > --00000000000073517f0649e45716 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"color:black;background-color:transparent;fon= t-family:sans-serif"><div style=3D"background-color:transparent"><span clas= s=3D"gmail-css-1jxf684 gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-1ttztb7 gmail-r-qvutc0 gmail-= r-poiln3 gmail-r-1x3r274" style=3D"background-color:transparent;min-width:0= px;text-align:inherit;border:0px solid black;box-sizing:border-box;display:= inline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-str= etch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit= ;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;list-style:none;margin:= 0px;padding:0px;white-space:inherit"><span class=3D"gmail-css-1jxf684 gmail= -r-bcqeeo gmail-r-1ttztb7 gmail-r-qvutc0 gmail-r-poiln3" style=3D"backgroun= d-color:transparent;min-width:0px;text-align:inherit;border:0px solid black= ;box-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inher= it;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:i= nherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:= inherit;list-style:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;white-space:inherit">Can we = integrate our mailing system with an agentic AI and train the AI on proper = governance?</span></span></div><div style=3D"background-color:transparent">= <br style=3D"background-color:transparent"><span class=3D"gmail-css-1jxf684= gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-1ttztb7 gmail-r-qvutc0 gmail-r-poiln3 gmail-r-1x3r2= 74" style=3D"background-color:transparent;min-width:0px;text-align:inherit;= border:0px solid black;box-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font-style:inhe= rit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size= :inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;= font-feature-settings:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;white-= space:inherit"><span class=3D"gmail-css-1jxf684 gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-1ttz= tb7 gmail-r-qvutc0 gmail-r-poiln3" style=3D"background-color:transparent;mi= n-width:0px;text-align:inherit;border:0px solid black;box-sizing:border-box= ;display:inline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit= ;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjus= t:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;list-style:non= e;margin:0px;padding:0px;white-space:inherit">I hope this suggestion helps.= </span></span></div></div><div style=3D"color:black;background-color:transp= arent;font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div style=3D"color:black;backgroun= d-color:transparent;font-family:sans-serif">Al</div><div style=3D"color:bla= ck;background-color:transparent;font-family:sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://= www.linkedin.com/in/albertomaclang/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/albertomac= lang/</a></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 at 15:03, Russell C= oker via linux-aus <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">linu= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail= _quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204= ,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tuesday, 3 February 2026 10:13:36 AEDT dvalin---= via linux-aus wrote:<br> > > The main problem is that they harvested the addresses from anothe= r list<br> > > and<br> > > <br> > > continually refuse to change their behaviour in that regard.<br> > <br> > In contrast, I'm pleased that some vestigial contact with local Li= nux<br> > remains, after I was arbitrarily unsubscribed from luv-main, apparentl= y by<br> > some automaton, on the spurious basis of "a number of bounces&quo= t;.<br> <br> That's an ongoing issue with mailing lists.=C2=A0 Email is Balkanised b= y the <br> different choices regarding anti-spam measures.=C2=A0 So when (not if) a ma= iling <br> list passes through email that some servers (correctly or incorrectly - <br= > usually incorrectly) consider spam then people get unsubscribed.<br> <br> You are correct that something equivalent to luv-main is needed.=C2=A0 In t= he old <br> days there was enough mailing list traffic that having separate lists for <= br> discussing random Linux issues made sense.=C2=A0 When you exceed a certain = number <br> of list members the number of duplicate answers due to email lag becomes <b= r> excessive and the benefits of having more people to increase the probabilit= y <br> of a good answer taper off when a certain number of people are present.<br> <br> Now the email traffic from all Linux users in Australia who want to discuss= <br> things on mailing lists can fit on this list.=C2=A0 If you look through the= <br> archives of this list you will see discussions on similar topics to luv-mai= n.<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo" rel=3D"noreferrer" = target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo</a><br> <br> A quick scan of this page suggests that the majority of lists on this serve= r <br> could be removed due to lack of traffic, maybe with the archives moved to a= n <br> obsolete lists page.<br> <br> It seems that most of the discussion that used to happen on mailing lists n= ow <br> happens on Matrix.=C2=A0 Have you considered getting a Matrix account?<br> <br> Also in the old days questions about how to install Linux etc all went to l= uv-<br> main while nowadays people tend to use a web forum run by the distribution = <br> they are using.<br> <br> > The email address, in use for a couple of decades has received hundred= s of<br> > thousands of list mails, and continues to reliably do so. OK, the slop= py<br> > luv chop happened back in October 2024, and the crappy system might ha= ve<br> > been improved since. I have no way of knowing.<br> <br> In about 2022 I quit doing anything noteworthy in terms of LUV sysadmin and= <br> have just kept the VM ticking over ever since.=C2=A0 For reasons that are p= robably <br> similar to mine no-one else wanted to work on it.<br> <br> > While my reaction is "whatever", Brian's focus on fixing= problems is<br> > constructive, and more conducive to list survival as more and more go<= br> > moribund these days.<br> <br> Neither Brian nor anyone else in this discussion has actually focussed on <= br> fixing problems, Brian and some others have stated that it would be good to= <br> have problems fixed but have not volunteered to do it.=C2=A0 If Brian wants= to work <br> on the LUV server he can email me his ssh public key and I'll give him = root <br> access (I've known Brian for more than 30 years and worked with him on = several <br> occasions).=C2=A0 If you want to work on it then we can have a chat about t= hat, the <br> process wouldn't be as quick as it would for Brian but it's definit= ely an <br> option.<br> <br> If Brian wants to work on the Electron Workshop stuff then I'm sure the= y will <br> be happy to work with him, but AFAIK he has not volunteered for such things= .<br> <br> Also there has not been any mention of plans for a general Linux mailing li= st <br> similar to luv-main by the Electron Workshop people, just the luv-announce = <br> list.<br> <br> -- <br> My Main Blog=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://etbe.coker.= com.au/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://etbe.coker.com.au/</a>= <br> My Documents Blog=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://doc.coker.com.au/" rel=3D"= noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://doc.coker.com.au/</a><br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> linux-aus mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">linux-aus= @lists.linux.org.au</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus" rel=3D"no= referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/lin= ux-aus</a><br> <br> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to<br> <a href=3D"mailto:linux-aus-unsubscribe-cunTk1MwBs8iFSDQTTA3OBCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org" target=3D"_blan= k">linux-aus-unsubscribe-cunTk1MwBs8iFSDQTTA3OBCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org</a><br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000073517f0649e45716-- --===============1783901157809532349== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ linux-aus mailing list [email protected] https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to linux-aus-unsubscribe-cunTk1MwBs8iFSDQTTA3OBCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org --===============1783901157809532349==--