Re: Grant Application from Fraser Tweedale for Support the myGov Code Generator source code FOI review
Marcus Herstik via linux-aus <[email protected]> Tue, 21 Jul 2026 09:58:26 +0000
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--===============7167892443685394540== Content-Language: en-AU Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SY7P282MB5568B88722C95A12D7974B77D4C32SY7P282MB5568AUSP_" --_000_SY7P282MB5568B88722C95A12D7974B77D4C32SY7P282MB5568AUSP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe because it was positing a ridiculous statement basically as a joke. For some reason it seems to have been accepted as a good idea and some even= want to encourage it. The only people that win these cases is typically the lawyers. Regards Marcus ________________________________ From: linux-aus <linux-aus-bounces-cunTk1MwBs8iFSDQTTA3OBCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org> on behalf of Paul Wa= yper via linux-aus <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2026 9:36 am To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Grant Application from Fraser Tweedale for Support= the myGov Code Generator source code FOI review On 18/7/26 15:40, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote: Support can come in many ways - not just financial. This leads to the obvious question - why don't we start litigating these ki= nd of things as an organisation ? I'm finding this position puzzling, Marcus, in relation to your comment: I'm sorry but that's a no from me. We are not here to fund litigation. While we may receive the benefit of the result of that litigation it was no= t started by us nor is LA a party to this. The problem I see with any idea that Linux Australia would 'start litigatin= g these kinds of [legal battles]' is in choosing what, and how, and in gett= ing legal advice. We'd have to get community feedback on which issues LA c= hose to tackle, and then maybe ask the community again when things got stym= ied (as they inevitably do when fighting legal battles with large governmen= t departments). And then the LA council would have to put their names to c= ourt filings and proceedings. Linux Australia retains no lawyers. It's much better, IMO, for individual members to do what Fraser has done he= re (take on the fight because of a personal commitment) and then ask for Li= nux Australia's assistance. Fraser has openly asked for community funding = for his legal proceedings as well, so this is not just a matter that Linux = Australia is being asked to assist alone. I am fully in support of Linux Australia giving financial assistance to Fra= ser's work to ask for the source code of software made by a government depa= rtment for deployment on Australian citizens' phones to be made publicly av= ailable. The government makes many things available under Creative Commons licenses = (thanks to Pia Andrews for pushing for this!). Hope this helps, Paul --_000_SY7P282MB5568B88722C95A12D7974B77D4C32SY7P282MB5568AUSP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof"> Maybe because it was positing a ridiculous statement basically as a joke.&n= bsp;</div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof"> For some reason it seems to have been accepted as a good idea and some even= want to encourage it. </div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof"> The only people that win these cases is typically the lawyers. </div> <div id=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line" class=3D"elementToProof"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <br> </div> </div> <div id=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-signature" class=3D"elementToProof"> <div style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Robot= o, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"> Regards</div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(33, 33, 33);"> Marcus</div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(33, 33, 33);"> <br> </div> </div> <div id=3D"mail-editor-reference-message-container" class=3D"elementToProof= "> <div id=3D"mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</= b> linux-aus <linux-aus-bounces-cunTk1MwBs8iFSDQTTA3OBCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org> on behalf of= Paul Wayper via linux-aus <[email protected]><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2026 9:36 am<br> <b>To:</b> [email protected] <[email protected]= au><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Linux-aus] Grant Application from Fraser Tweedale= for Support the myGov Code Generator source code FOI review</div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </di= v> </div> <div>On 18/7/26 15:40, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote:</div> <blockquote> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);"> Support can come in many ways - not just financial. </div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);"> This leads to the obvious question - why don't we start litigating these ki= nd of things as an organisation ?</div> </blockquote> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">I'm finding this position= puzzling, Marcus, in relation to your comment:</p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><br> </p> <blockquote> <div id=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);"> I'm sorry but that's a no from me. </div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);"> We are not here to fund litigation. </div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -app= le-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rg= b(0, 0, 0);"> While we may receive the benefit of the result of that litigation it was no= t started by us nor is LA a party to this. </div> </div> </blockquote> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">The problem I see with an= y idea that Linux Australia would 'start litigating these kinds of [legal b= attles]' is in choosing what, and how, and in getting legal advice. W= e'd have to get community feedback on which issues LA chose to tackle, and then maybe ask the community again when thi= ngs got stymied (as they inevitably do when fighting legal battles with lar= ge government departments). And then the LA council would have to put= their names to court filings and proceedings. Linux Australia retains no lawyers.</p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">It's much better, IMO, fo= r individual members to do what Fraser has done here (take on the fight bec= ause of a personal commitment) and then ask for Linux Australia's assistanc= e. Fraser has openly asked for community funding for his legal proceedings as well, so this is not just a matter th= at Linux Australia is being asked to assist alone.</p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">I am fully in support of = Linux Australia giving financial assistance to Fraser's work to ask for the= source code of software made by a government department for deployment on = Australian citizens' phones to be made publicly available.</p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">The government makes many= things available under Creative Commons licenses (thanks to Pia Andrews fo= r pushing for this!).</p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Hope this helps,</p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Paul</p> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_SY7P282MB5568B88722C95A12D7974B77D4C32SY7P282MB5568AUSP_-- --===============7167892443685394540== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ linux-aus mailing list [email protected] https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to linux-aus-unsubscribe-cunTk1MwBs8iFSDQTTA3OBCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org --===============7167892443685394540==--