Re: emacs 1:30.1+1-5~bpo12+1 should conflict with: elpa-eglot, elpa-project (?)

Xiyue Deng <[email protected]> Thu, 26 Jun 2025 15:22:09 -0700

Newsgroups	gmane.linux.debian.backports.general
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Hi Cyril,

Cyril Brulebois <[email protected]> writes:

> Hi,
>
> Xiyue Deng <[email protected]> (2025-06-26):
>> The same way.  Say someone installed elpa-eglot from Bookworm, and tried
>> to upgrade to Trixie.  Now that elpa-eglot has been removed in Trixie,
>> the old version will continue to exist, and cause issues.  The same goes
>> for other removed packages that are bundled. It would be better to have
>> them removed using this trick.
>
> (Random backports subscriber here)
>
> I'm not sure I'd call that a trick.
>

Right, I meant to type "trick" :)

> AFAICT the Conflicts/Replaces pair is pretty normal when a binary package
> needs to go away (usually when its contents and/or features are merged
> into/shipped by another package). Since we're talking about end-user
> packages here, I assume having a Provides (versioned or not) isn't really
> required (unless you want to maintain the status quo for people who would
> be deploying such packages automatically, via meta packages, via Ansible,
> etc.).
>

Thanks for confirming the use case!  Just want to add that Provides is
also desired to have smooth upgrades path for other externally packaged
Emacs addons.

Taking elpa-org as an example, which has several reverse dependencies,
some of which may require newer version than the one bundled (currently
9.7.11), and the current external elpa-org has 9.7.29 that satisfies
those.  When a future Emacs updates contains a more up-to-date version
of elpa-org (say 9.7.40), it can uninstall the external elpa-org to
avoid it being shadowed, until the external elpa-org is upgraded to even
more recent versions.

> Not speaking for the release team, that looks like something that should
> if not must be addressed to ensure smooth upgrades from Debian 12.
>

Ack.

>
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Cyril Brulebois ([email protected])            <https://debamax.com/>
> D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

-- 
Regards,
Xiyue Deng

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