Re: Announcing new decision making procedures for Debian

On 1 Apr 2021, at 00:06, Alejandro Nadal <[email protected]> =
wrote:
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> How will "the strength of the wording" be measured? I am not a DD, =
just a debian user, curious about the new process.

Swearing and personal attacks are great ways to demonstrate your =
passion.
Comparisons to communism, genocides and nazis are all particularly =
strong.

> Also, doesn't this give more influence to those developers with more =
time to write more mails, if the number of messages will be taken into =
account?

Yes; if you can=E2=80=99t find time to write the emails then you clearly =
care less than
those who do make the time.

> (If this message breaks the mailing list protocol in any way, I am =
deeply sorry, I am new to these debian mailing lists)

Top-posting is awful and should be an instant rejection of any opinions =
for a
GR IMO, same as non-plaintext replies and not line-wrapping.

Jess

> Alejandro Nadal
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> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 19:53 Enrico Zini <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Debian Members,
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> For some time, we have been having systemic issues that make GR
> discussions painful. GRs themselves shouldn't be painful, and don't =
need
> to be. Having a chilling effect to using GRs hurts Debian, and as a
> project we need a way to poll for consensus on project choices and
> directions more often than not.
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> To overcome the current problems with GR discussions, we introduce a
> replacement weighted democratic system. The new procedure is this:
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>  * A developer proposes an issue with a signed message on
>    [email protected] .
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>  * Anyone can express their consent or dissent by replying to the
>    message.
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>  * When the discussion eventually dies down, the Debian Secretary will
>    review all messages and pronounce the winner.
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> This method makes the fair assumption that the energy spent in writing
> messages to the discussion is related to the amount of insight a =
person
> has on an issue, and how much they care about it. In particular:
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>  * The more messages a person writes, the more the person cares, and =
the
>    more their opinion will be taken into account: people who only =
write
>    every once in a while, clearly don't think the issue is important
>    enough to deserve their real effort.
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>  * The more strongly worded replies are, the more the person cares, =
and
>    the more their opinion will be taken into account: people who waste
>    time with long, polite, well reasoned messages, clearly didn't care
>    enough to get emotional about an issue.
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>  * The longer a person keeps writing, the more the person cares, and =
the
>    more their opinion will be taken into account: people who give up,
>    clearly didn't care enough to make themselves heard.
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> To avoid confusion, we'll maintain the same acronym as before. The new
> system will be called Debian Grandiose Reflection.
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> The first GR using this scheme will concern the introduction of this
> voting scheme for the future.
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> Enrico
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> --=20
> GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini =
<[email protected]>