Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation but orca does

Yes I reported it back to Roland Clobus also, Debian image=20
debian-13.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
Not sure if he monitors this list.=C2=A0 If you look at Nick's logs Speakup=
=20
Starts and dies repeatedly, but the real issue is with the migration to=20
pipewire from Pulse audio.



On 3/24/26 7:29 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 10:30:54AM -0400, Chevelle wrote:
>> Nick, try typing 'amixer' as root and see if it gives you a message like
>> 'host not accessible'.=C2=A0 If it does then you could paste the informa=
tion I
>> had in the other message into your trouble ticket.=C2=A0 Or maybe we nee=
d to open
>> a new issue, I'm not sure.
>>
>>
> Hi Chevelle and hi Nick,
>
> Can I respectfully suggest that you only use testing if you can troublesh=
oot
> reliably - with testing and, especially, unstable there may be a lot of
> package churn. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces :(
>
> Can you reproduce these problems on debian-stable?
>
> Andy
> ([email protected])
>
>> On 3/23/26 4:55 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>>> Hi, I submitted the logs to this debian Bug#1111121:
>>> installation-reports: Forky debian-installer the same issue exists. Nic=
k
>>> Gawronski
>>>
>>> On 3/23/2026 1:58 PM, Chevelle wrote:
>>>> Speakup works fine in the console on Debian testing.=C2=A0 It is possi=
ble
>>>> I changed something since I installed it a while back.=C2=A0 I assume =
you
>>>> installed the 'espeak' package.=C2=A0 Without knowing how you installe=
d
>>>> it or what you did, it is hard to troubleshoot remotely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/23/26 1:10 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>>>>> Hi, Yes I totally understand and this is what I meant when I
>>>>> said that speakup works much better in the console then orca
>>>>> does in the graphical terminal.=C2=A0 My issue is that on Forky, if I
>>>>> press control and alt and f1 I get no speech from the espeakup
>>>>> software and when working with the shell I prefer to use the
>>>>> console and not the graphical terminal application as like I
>>>>> said before orca will read things that speakup will not as it
>>>>> reads what updates and not what has already been read.=C2=A0 I prefer
>>>>> working in the text consoles and not the graphical terminals
>>>>> when I need to use the shell. Nick Gawronski
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/23/2026 3:15 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>>>>>> As Glenn correctly points out, speakup only works in a
>>>>>> console and ORCA only works in the graphical user=C2=A0interface
>>>>>> (GUI) and opening up a text terminal inside the GUI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New comers often mix up running a text terminal in Orca
>>>>>> compared with directly opening one of the virtual consoles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A console refers to the system's low-level text interface,
>>>>>> such as virtual consoles (TTYs accessed via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6),
>>>>>> which provide direct, full-screen access to the OS kernel
>>>>>> and shell without a graphical environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A terminal (or terminal emulator like GNOME Terminal which
>>>>>> uses Orca) is a graphical windowed application within a
>>>>>> desktop environment (e.g., opened via Ctrl+Alt+T) that
>>>>>> emulates a console, passing input to a shell and displaying
>>>>>> output.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm confused if everyone understands the difference because
>>>>>> it's easy to confuse them but they are two different things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If everyone already knows this,=C2=A0 I apologize, but years ago
>>>>>> I thought orca running GNOME terminal was what people were
>>>>>> talking=C2=A0about when they mentioned the "console". It isn't,
>>>>>> it is more basic than the Graphical User Interface (GUI),
>>>>>> it's running underneath the GUI, underneath Orca. Open it up
>>>>>> as I described in the first paragraph. The Graphical
>>>>>> environment GUI runs in a console, but the other consoles
>>>>>> are available for use. Often F1 is the GUI so I proposed
>>>>>> opening the F3 console. Remember you can only run console
>>>>>> apps and direct commands in a console but you will notice
>>>>>> how much faster it is than the GUI and Orca.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Ring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2026, 02:05 K0LNY ?? <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I don't think you would want speakup in a termin=
al.
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am guessing that most people who want Speakup =
rather than Orca,
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 call up a
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 console and run Speakup there.
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Speakup won't really work in a GUI session, whic=
h is where the
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 terminal is
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 running from.
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Glenn
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: "john doe" <[email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 To: <[email protected] <mail=
to:debian-
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [email protected]>>
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 12:44 AM
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does not wo=
rk after
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 installation but
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 orca does
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On 3/22/26 20:00, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Hi, I just installed Forky and noticed t=
hat orca
>>>>>> comes up as normal
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > after the installation in mate but if I =
try to access just the
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 consoles
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > I have no speech from speakup what so ev=
er. This
>>>>>> should be fixed as
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > that could really be a mess for some use=
rs and orca is not the
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 best in
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > terminal applications.
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why according to you, Orca is not working in the=
 terminal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I use Orca in the terminal on a daily bases with=
out problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -- =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 John Doe
>>>>>>