Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

Hello,

On Thu 07 Nov 2024 at 11:03am +01, Helmut Grohne wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> On Thu, Nov 07, 2024 at 10:37:22AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> Helmut, I think my conversation with you is somewhat verging into
>> detailed design work.  We don't want the TC to be trying to decide
>> exactly what sort of containers we want to support; we just want to be
>> sure we're not definitely blocking anything we don't want to
>> definitively block.
>
> I respectfully disagree with your characterization. I used the podman
> example to demonstrate actual use of the underlying concept that a
> container runtime would be responsible for providing logging services
> and concluded that a dependency on logging services would no longer be
> expressible in our dependency system. To me, this is not yet design
> work. Rather we would be shifting to a state where logging services are
> always assumed available and all that we would continue to maintain is
> the exclusion mechanism.

I read your previous message again and I think I understand the example
a bit better now.

So, these super-slim containers don't have systemd installed at all, so
systemd can't provide the virtual package inside them, right?

Also, sorry -- what exactly do you mean when you say "the exclusion
mechanism"?

Thanks.