Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

Re: Ansgar 🙀
> That would be an argument to *NOT* have random packages "Recommend:
> system-log-daemon" so it is easier to not have it installed at all.

That's what I was trying to say, yes.

> Having "system facilities" that the admins decide to install or not
> install makes keeping optional stuff optional easier than random
> "Recommends:" pulling in packages that might or might not be useful for
> individual installations. As far as I understand there are often
> concerns that "Recommends:" is sometimes far too inclusive in Debian.

Ack.

> On the other hand some people argue that a "proper" UNIX-like system
> always needs a MTA (and a running syslog and a compiler and so on)
> because that is what some systems looked like in the past...

Right, but times are changing. In the past, fail2ban could depend on
system-log-daemon and expect files in /var/log/ to appear, but
systemd/journalctl keep things elsewhere.

Perhaps that is the issue we should be discussing?

Christoph