Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework?

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Quoting Martin (2026-04-27 10:21:59)
> On 2026-04-27 10:02, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> > * Aryan Karamtoth <[email protected]> [260425 11:52]:
> >>We could work with Framework and [..]
> >
> > https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/14/framework_linux_controversy/
>=20
> Yes, but... Debian collaborates with far worse companies than Framework.
> Not meant as an excuse. Just pointing out, that we as a project lack comm=
on
> ethical standards to decide which companies we work with.

But this "collaboration" is about "we use their resources", either for
computing power or for debconf sponsorships and the like. As far as I
understood previous discussions, the problem is that there are not many
alternatives other than "there will be no debconf" or "then we do not have =
CI
anymore". The thing the companies get back is some advertisement and I do n=
ot
think that's the same as us showing that we like or support them. I see it =
as a
necessary evil.

The original proposal is very different though. We don't loose anything by =
not
collaborating with Framework. Doing so, in my mind, would imply a far stron=
ger
endorsement than when we accept Google as a DebConf sponsor. What we do giv=
e to
Google is some advertisement space on banners and t-shirts. Similarly the p=
age
https://www.debian.org/partners/ lists entities which have given something =
back
to *us* and in return they get their logo on the page.

By going out of our way and doing something like adding a "Debian
Certification" we are giving something to them which I feel *very*
uncomfortable giving away to a company like Framework.

Yes, Sruthi's DPL platform lists laptops pre-installed with Debian as a goal
but it also lists diversity as one of her core principles and Framework mad=
e it
very clear that their tent is big enough for even those people who would ra=
ther
see this world be less diverse.

I think I understand that we do put up with some companies because we decid=
ed
that we want compute resources and we want debconf to happen, okay. But we =
do
not *need* to certify hardware and if we do go out of our way to do it, then
maybe lets look very closely to whom we are providing this service and maybe
lets at least start with manufactures which are more aligned with Debian's
principles than Framework is.

I would love to hear Sruthi's position on this.

Thanks!

cheers, josch
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