Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework?

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On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 05:55:52PM +0200, Matthias Geiger wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 11:46, Aryan Karamtoth <[email protected]> =
wrote:
> > Hello fellow developers and maintainers as well as the DPL,
> >=20
> > Framework caught my attention recently as I discovered that they have a
> > 12'' inch version of their laptop line up and I was curious about the
> > Linux compatibility on their laptops and I came to know that they
> > officially support Fedora, Ubuntu and Bazzite but they also listed Mint,
> > Arch and NixOS as community supported ones [1].
> >=20
> I agree with Chris here. Endorsing a dev whose values are known to be dee=
ply
> racist is very questionable.
>=20
> This could've been an honest mistake; however the least they could've done
> is apologize and rescind the endorsement.
>=20
> Anyway, I am not here to discuss Frameworks misgivings.
>=20
> Regardless, I find this an important topic; if hardware has Debian
> preinstalled, this a) helps us and b) eventually gets more people to use
> Linux.
> I would like to suggest a different company: Star Labs [0]. They are a sm=
all
> UK-based company also catering to linux-first devices. While it's not
> modular as the Framework it is still really good in terms of repairability
> and privacy (hardware kill switches). Furthermore, their support has been
> excellent. Disclaimer: I am owning a StarBook MK VI which is my main
> computing device since 2 years now.
>=20
> A few datapoints: - Battery life is fairly decent (~5 h medium usage under
> sway)
> - Everything just works ootb (hardware-wise)
> - The intel models are available with coreboot
> - Every single part can be purchased as spare/replacement
> - The bottom and lid is made out of aluminum and it's fairly
> scratch-resistant
>=20
>=20
> The only complaint that I have that the screen could be brighter, and that
> the rubber feet tend to get loose.
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> (I really should write a blogpost at some point about it)
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> best,
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> werdahias
>=20
> Links:
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> [0]: https://de.starlabs.systems/
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Heya,

reply to the whole conversation as I have followed it, I am a bit too sick =
as
of now to stitch together the quotes and all my ideas.

I did want to write an email regarding a clarification, in their recent lau=
nch
presentation where they announced Ubuntu certification, they also mentioned
sponsoring devs hardware to help improve support within distributions, thou=
gh
not named out loud, the Debian logo is the first one (timestamped link)[1]

I did see someone earlier on the list mention they got a framework laptop t=
wo
years ago, but I am not familiar if it was for Debian or other projects.

Regarding an official Debian certification, from what they highlighted with=
in
their presentation, apparently Canonical will be testing LTS releases and be
ensuring that releases will stay compatible on all ranges of framework
products, this would certainly be at least with framework, relying on
framework providing a lot of samples and test releases our way, that is if
they would agree.

I believe regarding their support of omarchy and Hyprland, given the later
mostly organises on proprietary platforms, and from what I know generally a
lot of framework's community is also on said platform? (discord) so it is
hard to keep track of hey is the community still toxic, have they cleansed
their act? I mean framework is now giving more money to Hyprland, I would
sure hope so?

I would love if Debian came as an install option from more providers,
like one of the companies mentioned earlier in the list, and hopefully if
we work with them with our philosophies and our view points they might
reconsider their frameworks? (I am stealing this from you peb)

More Debian Good, Please More Debian.

[1]:=20
<https://youtu.be/rgZlzCd0DUU?t=3D1484>

Regards,
disaster2life
dizzy

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