A "middle ground" Proposal for LLM policy

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    <p>I've been reading the proposals listed for the GR about a
      project-wide LLM policy so far and they're all great but I feel
      like they've been focusing on the extreme end of the discussion --
      either ban them completely or allow them completely.=C2=A0</p>
    <p>I was trying to imagine what a "middle ground" proposal might
      look like if it were to exist and I got a glimpse of it when I saw
      GCC announcing its own AI policy [1].</p>
    <p>&gt;The GCC steering committee has <a
href=3D"https://lwn.net/ml/all/CAGWvny=3DKZcazorvmCU3gdT4dBcMJm6S_769Ne+a=
[email protected]/">announced</a>
      that it has accepted <a
href=3D"https://forge.sourceware.org/redi/gcc-wwwdocs/commit/4d0793a6a14b=
f9bfe9e92ac1599840780355199d">an
        AI contributions policy</a> recommended by &gt;the GCC AI policy
      working
      group.</p>
    <p>&gt;The policy, in part, states that the project will decline any
      "<q>legally significant contributions which include
        LLM-&gt;generated
        content or are derived from LLM-generated content</q>". It uses
      the <a
href=3D"https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Legally-Significa=
nt">definition</a>
      of "legally significant" &gt;from the GNU Project maintainer
      guidelines,
      which holds that the threshold is "<q>around 15 lines of code
        and/or &gt;text</q>" to qualify as significant for copyright
      purposes. GCC
      maintainers may, however, choose to accept legally &gt;significant
      test
      cases that are generated by an LLM.</p>
    <p>&gt;The policy does not forbid use of LLMs for research,
      analysis, bug
      discovery and reporting, patch review, etc. as &gt;long as the
      output is
      not included in contributions. The committee says that it expects
      the
      policy will evolve and &gt;will be revisited periodically.</p>
    <p>I feel like a similar proposal (maybe Proposal F) could focus on
      something similar:</p>
    <p>" Allow LLM usage only for research or understanding purposes but
      forbid any of that work from being directly materialised into code
      or documentation (copy pasting). "</p>
    <p>This way we can not only limit the usage of LLMs in the project
      but also avoid DFSG compliance issues because the code must be
      written by humans.=C2=A0</p>
    <p>I personally feel like allowing LLM usage directly in the project
      would only result in more unmaintainable codebases, poor quality
      packages and a technical debt that will be a burden on new
      contributors as they may not be actively interacting with mentors
      for help. We're already dealing with several occurrences of server
      downtime because of the clankers and some vibe coded debian
      packages lying out there in mentors.d.net.</p>
    <p>On the other hand, we're way past the point where we can just
      block the usage of LLMs completely because to be honest, despite
      being an anti-LLM person previously (I still am but not very
      aggressive), I found them to be of some use when dealing with
      problems where there's a lack of documentation or little resources
      online but when it comes to code, they still do a horrible job. We
      need to focus on maintainability too and LLMs are bad at that.</p>
    <p>A good way forward that I personally see is actively discouraging
      LLM usage but not outright banning it completely and ensuring that
      the final work is human written even though there might be some
      LLM assistance with research or understanding errors.=C2=A0</p>
    <p>I do not have voting rights yet so I just thought I'd raise my
      point of view about this GR.</p>
    <p>[1] <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://lwn.net/Art=
icles/1086041/">https://lwn.net/Articles/1086041/</a></p>
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Regards,

Aryan Karamtoth,
Debian Maintainer

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