Re: Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

Wouter Verhelst dijo [Thu, May 08, 2025 at 12:43:50PM +0200]:
>On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 12:02:08AM +0200, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>>    The transformative criteria here is that the resulting work needs to be
>>    transformed in such a way that it adds value. And generating new texts
>>    from a LLM is pretty clearly a value-adding transformation compared to
>>    the original articles. Even more so than the already ruled-on Google
>>    Books case.
>
>OK, let me change it around a bit, because I don't think this discussion
>is going in any direction that is relevant for Debian.
>
>The only way in which you can build a model is by taking loads and loads
>of data, running some piece of software over it, and storing the result
>somewhere.
>
>How can we do this legally, reproducibly, and openly if we do not have
>the rights to redistribute the said "loads and loads of data"?
>
>The answer is, we can't.
> (...)

I agree with your conclusions, except for one point: Currently, Debian
*aims* at being fully reproducible, but _has never achieved it_ so far
(although we have a quite high degree of reproducibility).

I am not saying we should ignore this — only that this IMO would not be as
compelling an argument as you position it to be.