Re: CoC policy for package contents

Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <[email protected]> Mon, 21 Jul 2025 21:30:38 -0400

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Hello,

On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 12:24:06AM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 19:22:22 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 04:59:32PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
> > > My point is here that setting a CoC for package data is just a proxy for
> > > what we actually want, which I'm not sure is clear (to me; it might
> > > already be to other people). If it is, then deriving the CoC for
> > > packages from it should be rather straightforward.
> > Honestly, what *I* want is an answer, that we all can agree with, to the
> > question of whether the code of conduct applies to what we package, and
> > if so whether it fully applies or only partially.
> 
> I'm feeling somewhat uneasy, and/because I think we have a logical problem
> here:
> - The CoC is about interaction between people;
> - what we are discussiong right now is accaptable contents of   packages
> (messages, texts).
> 
> That's categorically different; I can't be respectful, assume good faith, be
> collaborative, be concise, be open, etc. against a text (as I can be about
> other people's behaviour).
> 
> I see the point in this topic about creating rules about what texts we want
> and don't want to have in Debian. But I strongly think that framing this as
> "application of the Debian CoC for packages" is a logical dead end. - If we
> want this, we need to create some new "What language is acceptable in
> Debian" rules.
> 

That's my understanding as well. As much as I appreciate Wouter's
efforts on this, I'm having trouble to imagine an explicitly link
between the Debian CoC and such set of rules in practical terms.

Also, it seems to me that we're talking about an issue that isn't a
recurrent problem in the project, so it perhaps doesn't really need new
rules, a GR or another long thread in -vote.

Honest question: in ~30 years, how many packages have been removed from
our archive due to offensive content? 4? 5? How many of the removal
requests turned into big drama?

Bests,

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Tiago Bortoletto Vaz

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